Angels and their ability to sin

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Who are those angels in chains?

I believe they are demon spirits in bondage and unable to ever be redeemed or saved. Doomed for the lake of fire without release of any kind ever.

[Sam]

a warning to you ladies,

if you trim your hair,

you are not only damning your soul,

and forfeiting your salvation,

but, even worse,

you are tempting more angels to sin



at least that's how some teach about the 11th chapter of 1 Corinthians.

[gloryseeker]

Originally Posted by Sam

a warning to you ladies,

if you trim your hair,

you are not only damning your soul,

and forfeiting your salvation,

but, even worse,

you are tempting more angels to sin



at least that's how some teach about the 11th chapter of 1 Corinthians.

This would be laughable if it wasn't so sad that there are some who believe it

[Sister Alvear]

Jude 1:6 has always been a question in my mind...

[Nu-Texan]

Is it possible that the Angels reffered to in Jude 1:6 are the same as Referred to in Genesis 6?

Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.
Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man [was] great in the earth, and [that] every imagination of the thoughts of his heart [was] only evil continually

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Originally Posted by Nu-Texan

Is it possible that the Angels reffered to in Jude 1:6 are the same as Referred to in Genesis 6?

Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.
Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man [was] great in the earth, and [that] every imagination of the thoughts of his heart [was] only evil continually

I see no angels mentioned in Gen 6.

[Nu-Texan]

so... who are the "sons of God"

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Nu-Texan

so... who are the "sons of God"

Some believe the "sons of God" were angels who had sex with women and produced a race/species of beings who were half human and half angel. Some times this is linked with the "serpent seed" doctrine that all around us are people who came from sexual union of satan and eve and these people are the "seed" of the serpent/satan.

Others believe the sons of God are those who are first mentioned in Genesis 4:26 as those who "called upon the name of YHWH" or those who "called themselves by the name of YHWH." In other words, those who believed that YHWH was the true God and who worshipped Him. This lineage goes on in Genesis chapter 5 through Seth, Enos and down to Noah at the end of chapter 5. Then in chapter 6 there was a breakdown in the separation of God's children as they intermarried with those who worshiped other gods. So the "sons of God" were those from the God fearing group and the "daughters of men" were those from the group who had turned from YHWH to other gods. (ref 2 Corinthians 6:14-18; 7:1)

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Nu-Texan

so... who are the "sons of God"

I believe the context reveals it:

First, Cain was banished from God's people.

Genesis 4:16 KJV And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

Seth replaced Abel, the slain brother.

Genesis 4:25 KJV And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

Adam and Eve had many more sons and daughters, none of which were banished as Cain was.

Genesis 5:4 KJV And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

And people spread and multiplied.

Note the words at the start of Gen 6.

Genesis 6:1-2 KJV And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, (2) That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

After having separated from the rest of the family, Cain was outside the presence of the Lord. Being away from God's presence by being cast out implies the rest of the family remained in the presence of the Lord. So those in God's presence would be the SONS OF GOD. And those outside were categorized as simply men. And as time passed, and Gen 6 explicitly stated that men multiplied on the face of the earth, it only stands to reason that the two separated groups would converge and meet.

The people of God included men who were called "sons of God". The people of Cain included "daughters of men". The bible already showed a godly man following after an ungodly woman when Adam disobeyed God by following Eve's sin in eating forbidden fruit. This theme carries onward with Ahab following wicked Jezebel, and even with Abram choosing the way of the flesh in following Sarai's advice to take Hagar to beget a child. We even see this as follows:

Numbers 25:1-3 KJV And Israel abode in Shittim, and the people began to commit whoredom with the daughters of Moab. (2) And they called the people unto the sacrifices of their gods: and the people did eat, and bowed down to their gods. (3) And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel.

Similarly, the "sons of God" in Genesis 6 were Adam's family who remained with God's presence who desired the female descendants of Cain, called the "daughters of men", not daughters of God.

This unholy union of believers in God and sinful women once again caused trouble.

There is nothing sensational about it, as though angels procreated with human females, for the Lord said this is impossible.

Matthew 22:30 KJV For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

I agree with what Sam said:

Others believe the sons of God are those who are first mentioned in Genesis 4:26 as those who "called upon the name of YHWH" or those who "called themselves by the name of YHWH." In other words, those who believed that YHWH was the true God and who worshipped Him. This lineage goes on in Genesis chapter 5 through Seth, Enos and down to Noah at the end of chapter 5. Then in chapter 6 there was a breakdown in the separation of God's children as they intermarried with those who worshiped other gods. So the "sons of God" were those from the God fearing group and the "daughters of men" were those from the group who had turned from YHWH to other gods. (ref 2 Corinthians 6:14-18; 7:1)

[Timmy]

Can angels ride motorcycles?