Have You Been to WWPF Lately?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge

Being entertained to fulfil your carnal lusts, is, and always will be, wrong.

Are you saying all entertainment is to fulfill carnal lusts? Or are you saying there is entertainment that does not fulfill carnal lusts?

A commercial on tv program which you see, is a lot different then a commercial on the radio, you hear. The difference? Seeing a 3/4 naked woman... and someone describing a 3/4 naked women. The eyes have a whole lot more nerves going to the brain then your ears. Your eyes immeasurably effect your heart and mind, more then your hearing does.

I see...so It is ok to listen to ungodly stuff as long as you are not watching it?

[Narrow Is The Way]

Originally Posted by jaxfam6

My whole problem with organizations is this: SEPERATION. They create differences. Oh I can fellowship this church because they believe like we do. I can't fellowship that church because they allow Christmas trees or wedding bands, or (insert your word here). Stay with me on this, SOUND FAMILIAR? Sounds like racism to me. They would not think of discriminating against someone for the color of their skin but will on the ideology, not theology, of what one must DO to be saved.
I like what Barb said about the commonality of obedience to Act 2:38. THAT IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT, NOT RATHER THEY HAVE LONG SLEEVES OR CUT HAIR OR TV'S, OR PANTS. Do you disfellowship your whole family because they do not believe exactly like you do? I don't. They are my family and I love them.
If you believe that Jesus came to Earth lived among men, suffered strips on his back for our healing, being hung on a cross for our sins, and rose three days later from the grave, for our redemption, with the keys to death, hell and the grave then hopefully you will follow through with that belief and obey what is written. If you can do that I can overlook our differences and love you and call you my 'family'. You are my brother or sister in Christ. THAT IS WHAT WE ALL NEED TO GET TO THE POINT OF UNDERSTANDING. If we can then we WILL SEE THE BIGGEST REVIVAL EVER SEEN. When it is no longer about your church or my church. No longer about ALJC, UPCI, AAFJC, PAW, AMF, WPF, or whatever other organizational or church name we can add in here then we will have the MOVE OF GOD we all desire to see.

My whole problem with organizations is this: SEPERATION. They create differences. Oh I can fellowship this church because they believe like we do. I can't fellowship that church because they allow Christmas trees or wedding bands, or (insert your word here). Stay with me on this, SOUND FAMILIAR? Sounds like racism to me. They would not think of discriminating against someone for the color of their skin but will on the ideology, not theology, of what one must DO to be saved.
I like what Barb said about the commonality of obedience to Act 2:38. THAT IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT, NOT RATHER THEY SMOKE POT, DRINK BEER, AND CURSE. Do you disfellowship your whole family because they do not believe exactly like you do? I don't. They are my family and I love them.
If you believe that Jesus came to Earth lived among men, suffered strips on his back for our healing, being hung on a cross for our sins, and rose three days later from the grave, for our redemption, with the keys to death, hell and the grave then hopefully you will follow through with that belief and obey what is written. If you can do that I can overlook our differences and love you and call you my 'family'. You are my brother or sister in Christ. THAT IS WHAT WE ALL NEED TO GET TO THE POINT OF UNDERSTANDING. If we can then we WILL SEE THE BIGGEST REVIVAL EVER SEEN. When it is no longer about your church or my church. No longer about ALJC, UPCI, AAFJC, PAW, AMF, WPF, or whatever other organizational or church name we can add in here then we will have the MOVE OF GOD we all desire to see.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Narrow Is The Way

My whole problem with organizations is this: SEPERATION. They create differences. Oh I can fellowship this church because they believe like we do. I can't fellowship that church because they allow Christmas trees or wedding bands, or (insert your word here). Stay with me on this, SOUND FAMILIAR? Sounds like racism to me. They would not think of discriminating against someone for the color of their skin but will on the ideology, not theology, of what one must DO to be saved.
I like what Barb said about the commonality of obedience to Act 2:38. THAT IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT, NOT RATHER THEY SMOKE POT, DRINK BEER, AND CURSE. Do you disfellowship your whole family because they do not believe exactly like you do? I don't. They are my family and I love them.
If you believe that Jesus came to Earth lived among men, suffered strips on his back for our healing, being hung on a cross for our sins, and rose three days later from the grave, for our redemption, with the keys to death, hell and the grave then hopefully you will follow through with that belief and obey what is written. If you can do that I can overlook our differences and love you and call you my 'family'. You are my brother or sister in Christ. THAT IS WHAT WE ALL NEED TO GET TO THE POINT OF UNDERSTANDING. If we can then we WILL SEE THE BIGGEST REVIVAL EVER SEEN. When it is no longer about your church or my church. No longer about ALJC, UPCI, AAFJC, PAW, AMF, WPF, or whatever other organizational or church name we can add in here then we will have the MOVE OF GOD we all desire to see.

those don't have to be part of an organization.

An organization is to not have the opposite, disorganization or even chaos. Organizations when done right are good things

[Tim Rutledge]

PtL. Everbody.. My thoughts... If your Pastor allows you to have and watch tv, its not my business to try to change you, or judge you. Barb, I appreciate your good attitude. Typing on this forum is really not my thing. Contraversial subjects, I am going to learn to leave alone. And I guess when I say "my brand" of Christianity that strikes a nerve. I would guess most of you would, I hope, be against a bathing suit contest, for young women in the Church. If your not against that..your not even Apostolic. That is not my brand of Christianity. Now.. when I say my brand, I mean things I whole heartedly disagree with. Just like if you whole heartedly disagreed with the bathing suit thing, that would not be your brand of Christianity. Of course there are varying opinions on a multitude of subjects in Christiandom that make up "different brands". I have been taught against hellivision for 17 yrs., and you will never convince me it belongs in a saints home. I do believe in wholesome, family entertainment, and fun. And honestly.. if God would of planted me in a different congregation..maybe I'd have a tv too. But I had to bloom where I was placed. And I will hold fast to the traditions, and my teachings. God bless.
TR

[jaxfam6]

Originally Posted by Narrow Is The Way

I like what Barb said about the commonality of obedience to Act 2:38. THAT IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT, NOT RATHER THEY HAVE LONG SLEEVES OR CUT HAIR OR TV'S, OR PANTS. Do you disfellowship your whole family because they do not believe exactly like you do? I don't. They are my family and I love them.


I like what Barb said about the commonality of obedience to Act 2:38. THAT IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT, NOT RATHER THEY SMOKE POT, DRINK BEER, AND CURSE. Do you disfellowship your whole family because they do not believe exactly like you do? I don't. They are my family and I love them.

Huge difference in these items. That all depends on some peoples ideas on the beer though.

[Narrow Is The Way]

Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge

PtL. Everbody.. My thoughts... If your Pastor allows you to have and watch tv, its not my business to try to change you, or judge you. Barb, I appreciate your good attitude. Typing on this forum is really not my thing. Contraversial subjects, I am going to learn to leave alone. And I guess when I say "my brand" of Christianity that strikes a nerve. I would guess most of you would, I hope, be against a bathing suit contest, for young women in the Church. If your not against that..your not even Apostolic. That is not my brand of Christianity. Now.. when I say my brand, I mean things I whole heartedly disagree with. Just like if you whole heartedly disagreed with the bathing suit thing, that would not be your brand of Christianity. Of course there are varying opinions on a multitude of subjects in Christiandom that make up "different brands". I have been taught against hellivision for 17 yrs., and you will never convince me it belongs in a saints home. I do believe in wholesome, family entertainment, and fun. And honestly.. if God would of planted me in a different congregation..maybe I'd have a tv too. But I had to bloom where I was placed. And I will hold fast to the traditions, and my teachings. God bless.
TR

Great post. Well said.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge

PtL. Everbody.. My thoughts... If your Pastor allows you to have and watch tv, its not my business to try to change you, or judge you. Barb, I appreciate your good attitude. Typing on this forum is really not my thing. Contraversial subjects, I am going to learn to leave alone. And I guess when I say "my brand" of Christianity that strikes a nerve. I would guess most of you would, I hope, be against a bathing suit contest, for young women in the Church. If your not against that..your not even Apostolic. That is not my brand of Christianity. Now.. when I say my brand, I mean things I whole heartedly disagree with. Just like if you whole heartedly disagreed with the bathing suit thing, that would not be your brand of Christianity. Of course there are varying opinions on a multitude of subjects in Christiandom that make up "different brands". I have been taught against hellivision for 17 yrs., and you will never convince me it belongs in a saints home. I do believe in wholesome, family entertainment, and fun. And honestly.. if God would of planted me in a different congregation..maybe I'd have a tv too. But I had to bloom where I was placed. And I will hold fast to the traditions, and my teachings. God bless.
TR

Thank you, Bro. Tim, for your nice remark about me...I admit that like every other living soul, it is often a struggle.

Before I ride back off once again into the sunset of lurking, let me just say that I respect where you are coming from, and I understand.

I want you to know that I am not trying to convince you to own a television. That is your conviction and that is fine for you. But by the same token, it should be noted that those of us who do have one in our homes are not feeding our carnal lusts.

Speaking for myself, if that was what I was after, TV would NOT be the place to go. The internet holds plenty of that if that is what I was after.

One more point and then I'm off my soapbox...my godsister goes to Bishop Wilson's church in CA, and she and I have gone round and round on this. Her claim is that television is what has branded 'us'...in other words, when the word got out the UPCI now permitted advertising on TV, it showed to the world that we had "let down."

I disagree...if her claim is true, what a terrible commentary on us!!

And it is not even our dress which has branded us. I have a friend who is Bible Methodist and those folks look more like 'us' than we do. They even sing songs that say "I love this narrow way..." I never heard anyone talk about this narrow way but Apostolics...so it's not the dress which defines us.

No, what has made us different than the rest is our Oneness stand and baptism in the Name.

I maintain, and will until I kick, that if the above defines us, it should be what unites us.

God bless you, Bro. Tim...

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Barb

my godsister goes to Bishop Wilson's church in CA, and she and I have gone round and round on this. Her claim is that television is what has branded 'us'...in other words, when the word got out the UPCI now permitted advertising on TV, it showed to the world that we had "let down."

I disagree...if her claim is true, what a terrible commentary on us!!

And it is not even our dress which has branded us. I have a friend who is Bible Methodist and those folks look more like 'us' than we do. They even sing songs that say "I love this narrow way..." I never heard anyone talk about this narrow way but Apostolics...so it's not the dress which defines us.

No, what has made us different than the rest is our Oneness stand and baptism in the Name.

Barb,

My heart grows heavy when I read an account like the one you posted here. I know that your godsister is a good woman who loves the Lord with all of her heart. However the teaching that causes people to think that the world gives a flip whether the UPC uses or has TV's is just so far off base it is wearying.

Not only is it the Oneness stand and baptism in Jesus name that should make UPC and like folks "stand apart" it should be the love of Christ and fruit of the Spirit in our lives.

[jaxfam6]

Mark 16
14Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.
15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

I think that our belief in the Oneness of God and baptism in His name is our common ground. Yet as I read these scriptures shouldn't we be looking at the signs that follow them that believe? Shouldn't these things be a sign to other believers that, Hey these people believe like we do and the same signs follow them, they must be some pretty good folk. Oh so they don't dress exactly like we do but they have everything else. There has to be something to it. To seperate oursleves from other believers is not what we find in the Bible.
Plus then we have Galatians 5 to use as a measuring stick of the others are not enough.
Galatians 5
22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Barb

One more point and then I'm off my soapbox...my godsister goes to Bishop Wilson's church in CA, and she and I have gone round and round on this. Her claim is that television is what has branded 'us'...in other words, when the word got out the UPCI now permitted advertising on TV, it showed to the world that we had "let down."

I disagree...if her claim is true, what a terrible commentary on us!!

And it is not even our dress which has branded us. I have a friend who is Bible Methodist and those folks look more like 'us' than we do. They even sing songs that say "I love this narrow way..." I never heard anyone talk about this narrow way but Apostolics...so it's not the dress which defines us.

No, what has made us different than the rest is our Oneness stand and baptism in the Name.

I maintain, and will until I kick, that if the above defines us, it should be what unites us.

Originally Posted by CC1

Barb,

My heart grows heavy when I read an account like the one you posted here. I know that your godsister is a good woman who loves the Lord with all of her heart. However the teaching that causes people to think that the world gives a flip whether the UPC uses or has TV's is just so far off base it is wearying.

Not only is it the Oneness stand and baptism in Jesus name that should make UPC and like folks "stand apart" it should be the love of Christ and fruit of the Spirit in our lives.

I wouldn't have weighed in on this discussion, but I would like to share something on this topic of television.

My oldest sister was greatly disappointed when we "finally" purchased a television and watched some videos. She didn't want to commit her life to living the way we did, but she wanted someone to do it.

As strange as it may seem, there are people that don't want to commit to greater things, but they want it to be there for them as a hope, if they ever decide they want to be serious about living for God.

I saw the same thing when I sold radio commercials. The DJ's joked with me about their heathen music, but they didn't want me to listen to their music. They wanted me to remain where I stood.

Some people want to know, that if they could and wanted to, there is a way and a place to walk away from the mainstream.

Just my thoughts.

So, no Barb, I don't totally agree with your post, nor CC1's. Love you both!