Are Apostolics Wise? - Page 18

RevDWW · #**171** 12-17-2007, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd

he picked up that title from reading Fudge's book.

My wife makes really good chocolate fudge and I eat it, does that give me and special powers?

rgcraig · #**172** 12-17-2007, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RevDWW

My wife makes really good chocolate fudge and I eat it, does that give me and special powers?

Naw, probably just extra pounds.

#**173** 12-17-2007, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by staysharp

I agree, I too have been a recipient of many who have paved the way, learned from others as they were gracious to share with me their experiences.

I was not swiping OP, I was really interested in knowing if Pentecostals sought for the gift of wisdom as they would seek for the gift of healing, miracles, prophecy, discernment, etc. I know many preachers who would fast for days for the gift of healing or prophecy, yet I have never heard anyone seek the gift of wisdom.

My point is why aren't we? Why do young preachers seek after healing or prophecy and never wisdom? I think wisdom from above is critical to taking care of God's people. More than the other gifts.

Could it be that prophecy or healing elevates the flesh? Yet wisdom glorifies God?

Staysharp,

You persist in asking a question that is nothing more than baseless assumption. I know of no young preachers who are seeking the gifts of healing or prophecy that did not begin by seeking for wisdom.

I ask you, please submit proof (other than your individual experience, perhaps) that your claim is based on anything more than your own feeling or overt supposition?

#**174** 12-17-2007, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy

In answer to the thread's question, some Apostolics are very unwise.

Now, Timmy, are you really being honest here? Based on the posts we have seen and read, you believe that ALL Apostolics are unwise and even more, you believe they are all dangerous to the spiritual and mental health of all whose lives they touch.

Why don't you just post honestly or don't post at all?

staysharp · #**175** 12-17-2007, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by philjones

Staysharp,

You persist in asking a question that is nothing more than baseless assumption. I know of no young preachers who are seeking the gifts of healing or prophecy that did not begin by seeking for wisdom.

I ask you, please submit proof (other than your individual experience, perhaps) that your claim is based on anything more than your own feeling or overt supposition?

Dr. Phil, you should know by now that our perceptions are based on life experiences. I'm glad your experience has been the opposite, but that makes neither of us any better than the other. I went to clc and was introduced to the school of the prophets there. I wholeheartedly agree we should seek for wisdom first. Maybe this thread will help our young ministers to do the same.

Coonskinner · #**176** 12-17-2007, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

I, personally, have not witnessed extremism when it comes to the gifts of the Spirit in the three different churches I have been a member of, although I have heard it is out there. There are biblical teachings concerning these things in 1 Corinthians. I would have disagree with you and Coonskinner regarding seeking spiritual gifts. I see nothing wrong with praying for spiritual gifts and fasting along with prayer. The motive of some may be wrong but prayer and fasting for spiritual gifts so that the manifestation of the Spirit is present in the church is not wrong.

Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.1 Cor 14:1

Paul talked about coming to Rome in the fullness of the blessing of the gospel of Christ, Rom 15:29, and to Corinth in the power of the Spirit:

1Co 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

1Co 4:19-20 But I will come to you shortly, if the Lord will, and will know, not the speech of them which are puffed up, but the power. For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.

I agree with what Coonskinner has said about wisdom and the differences between the wisdom God gives us when we pray and the supernatural gift of wisdom. I've even followed his example and have added a chapter of Proverbs to my daily devotions.

I would also agree that Coonskinner is right on about these things being taught at the local church level. We shouldn't have to go away to Bible school to be introduced to these things. After all isn't that partly what the ministry is for:

Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

But I find it insulting to put all the onus on the ministry. The saints themselves are responsible to work out their own salvation, to walk with God daily, and to seek God for wisdom. We can't put all the blame on the ministry. If you know of a minister that lacks wisdom, pray for him, and fast for him.

For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding; Col 1:9

If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. James 1:5

It's much easier to lay blame instead of praying for others.

I may not have expressed myself well.

I am all for praying and fasting as integral elements of consecration and spiritual discipline so that we can be in a condition where God can use us.

It's the idea of going on a particular fast for some particular gift that makes me a little nervous.

RevDWW · #**177** 12-17-2007, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Coonskinner

I may not have expressed myself well.

I am all for praying and fasting as integral elements of consecration and spiritual discipline so that we can be in a condition where God can use us.

It's the idea of going on a particular fast for some particular gift that makes me a little nervous.

I agree with you Coonskinner! Some folks cry out to be used, when thy ought to be crying out to God to be made usable.

staysharp · #**178** 12-17-2007, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Coonskinner

I may not have expressed myself well.

I am all for praying and fasting as integral elements of consecration and spiritual discipline so that we can be in a condition where God can use us.

It's the idea of going on a particular fast for some particular gift that makes me a little nervous.

Amen, I had an evangelist friend who would go on extended fasts for the miracle ministry. He fasted so much his body began to deteriorate and this strained his already fragile marriage. He resigned the ministry totally disheartened. He literally though he could make God respond to him and his sacrificial offerings to bring the gifts into existence.
He never really saw any miracles.

staysharp · #**179** 12-17-2007, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RevDWW

I agree with you Coonskinner! Some folks cry out to be used, when thy ought to be crying out to God to be made usable.

Now that's a good post. Deliver me first, so I can deliver others.

Coonskinner · #**180** 12-17-2007, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by staysharp

Dr. Phil, you should know by now that our perceptions are based on life experiences. I'm glad your experience has been the opposite, but that makes neither of us any better than the other. I went to clc and was introduced to the school of the prophets there. I wholeheartedly agree we should seek for wisdom first. Maybe this thread will help our young ministers to do the same.

The picture is growing clearer.

The SOP is not typical of the Apostolic movement in general, that I can pomise you. You are making sweeping generalizations based on observations of what a lot of men would consider fringe activity.

I am a fervent supporter of Apostolicministry, gifts of the Spirit, healing, miracles, and all the rest.

But balance is critical.