God cannot die. The Bible says God is eternal and forever.
I believe that Jesus was baptized, but God was not.
While I believe that God dwelt inside the man, it was not for God's benefit that Jesus was baptised. Jesus also prayed to God, but God didn't pray to Himself. God doesn't pray nor does He need to pray.
I believe that God was the Father, but Jesus was not.
Jesus also agrees with me. He even stated that there were things He didn't know that the Father did know. Jesus was NOT the Father when in human form. He was the Son of God, and the Bible states that over and over.
Got scripture that says otherwise? Let's see it.
H.O., when you die what part of you is going to die? Will it be your flesh or your spirit? Your flesh, right? It is no different with God. His flesh died, but His Spirit didn't. In light of Oneness doctrine, it is not incorrect to say God died on the cross, because anyone with the understanding of what Oneness means would know it means His flesh died. God experienced a physical death. Would you like for me to quote the whole story of His crucifixion for you?
God didn't just "dwell inside the man" as you propose. God was the man. Big difference.
It doesn't bother me one bit that Jesus prayed. He had to overcome His flesh, just like you and I have to overcome ours. He fought the same battles between flesh and spirit that you and I face, and some we will never be able to understand. No one has prayed to the point of bleeding other than Jesus. The Bible says He was reconciling the world unto Himself. His flesh had to be under subjection just like ours does. He had to learn obedience, just lilke we do. That is why God allowed His own baptism. His flesh had to be under subjection.
God was still the Father while He was in human form, H.O. He was just on a mission to save the world from sin at the time. They killed Him because He told them He was God. What do you think He was saying when He said, "Before Abraham was, I AM"? What do you think He was saying when, speaking of the Comforter, He said, "I will come to you"? He was the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost back then, just like He still is today.
Rico believes that God, not Jesus, had a dual nature. That means that the flesh of God died while the Spirit of God did not.
My Bible says nothing about God being flesh, only that God is a Spirit (those words came from Jesus Himself). However, God dwelt in flesh....manifesting Himself as flesh, but He didn't have a fleshly nature. Jesus did.
Of course, by my saying that, I'm one again separating God and Jesus, making them into two beings and therefore denying oneness.....but I see the poll stands at Heavenlyone 20 and Rico 1.
Keep in mind that we are all wrong but won't admit it.
Do not speak for me H.O. It is obvious to me you don't know what I believe, and I do not appreciate you taking it upon yourself to speak on what I believe. But wait, you like speaking for others, don't you?
I've never heard of anyone saying that GOD had a dual nature.
Hmm... okay. Well, I'm not sure how to respond to that.
Don't respond to it at all. H.O. has no business thinking she can speak on my behalf. If you want to know what I believe on something ask me directly. Thanks.
Sorry, buddy, but most of what I posted today was a copy and paste of what I said 'over there'.
The quote you quoted above originally said that Jesus was not the Father, but God was, and I still stand by that statement.
Jesus Himself said that He was not the Father, and made several references to the Father being someone else other than Him.
Jesus died for claiming to be the Father. Keep talking H.O. The more you post the more you are proving that you do indeed make comments contrary to Oneness doctrine.
Again, you are not being truthful. Most of what I posted today were direct posts from over there.
And why ask the questions you ask above? I made the statements and people agreed. If they didn't agree that what I said was in line with Oneness doctrine, they wouldn't have agreed! Are you missing the posts where people are agreeing? If it went against Oneness doctrine, they simply wouldn't agree, and asking the questions you propose above aren't necessary.
But feel free to start a poll of your own if you wish.
H.O., what part of me saying I have used word for word quotes of things you have said is not sinking into your head? Are you denying that you said, "God is not a person"? Are you denying that you said, "God didn't get baptized. Jesus did"? Are you denying that you said "I believe God was the Father, but Jesus was not"? These are direct quotes.
I will not have the time to read over everything I have saved in my computer regarding things you have said (direct quotes of your posts) tonight because I have two assignments due this evening. In fact, I need to log off from here in about 20 minutes. I will, however, go back and quote other things you have said, if it will make you happy.
Why don't you (H1) just post the link to the "other" conversation so that people can read it all for themselves? Or is that against AFF's rules?
For one thing, this conversation took place over two threads, one of which is 24 pages long and the other was way more than that. Also, admin doesn't like it when we do stuff like that because they aren't into interforum bickering. H.O. is free to do what she wants, but I won't provide that kind of link.
I would rather share the link via PM instead. Otherwise, the convo here is good enough.....LOL!
Okay.
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Psa 19:14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.
1Pe 5:6-7 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time: Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.
Tit 3:2 To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.
Psa 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
For one thing, this conversation took place over two threads, one of which is 24 pages long and the other was way more than that. Also, admin doesn't like it when we do stuff like that because they aren't into interforum bickering. H.O. is free to do what she wants, but I won't provide that kind of link.
Okay.
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Psa 19:14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.
1Pe 5:6-7 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time: Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.
Tit 3:2 To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.
Psa 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
H.O., when you die what part of you is going to die? Will it be your flesh or your spirit? Your flesh, right? It is no different with God. His flesh died, but His Spirit didn't.
Unbiblical, Rico. Post scripture that says God is flesh or ever was.
I have scripture that says God is a spirit. John 4:24.
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In light of Oneness doctrine, it is not incorrect to say God died on the cross, because anyone with the understanding of what Oneness means would know it means His flesh died.
So far, me and 20 others who voted disagree with you. So far, there isn't anyone but you on this thread who would ever say that God died on the cross. God doesn't have flesh and never did. God was manifest in the flesh. Do you know what that means? It means God showed Himself as flesh, but God wasn't flesh. God also was manifest as a cloud and as fire, but it would be incorrect to say that God was a cloud or that God was fire.
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God experienced a physical death. Would you like for me to quote the whole story of His crucifixion for you?
God didn't just "dwell inside the man" as you propose. God was the man. Big difference.
Got scripture for that?
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It doesn't bother me one bit that Jesus prayed. He had to overcome His flesh, just like you and I have to overcome ours. He fought the same battles between flesh and spirit that you and I face, and some we will never be able to understand. No one has prayed to the point of bleeding other than Jesus. The Bible says He was reconciling the world unto Himself. His flesh had to be under subjection just like ours does. He had to learn obedience, just lilke we do. That is why God allowed His own baptism. His flesh had to be under subjection.
You are unable to see the difference in God and Jesus, even though they were also one and the same. However, humanity and deity had different virtues. Deity wasn't baptized, nor did humanity produce miracles. If you can't understand that other than to say I'm in error (even though so far, you are alone in that thinking), then I don't know what else to tell you.
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still the Father while He was in human form, H.O. He was just on a mission to save the world from sin at the time. They killed Him because He told them He was God. What do you think He was saying when He said, "Before Abraham was, I AM"? What do you think He was saying when, speaking of the Comforter, He said, "I will come to you"? He was the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost back then, just like He still is today.
What do you think Jesus meant when He said "We will come to you"? He said that too, remember? Apparently, Jesus also saw the difference in Himself and His Father, even though they were also one and the same.
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