Obama For Mosque at Ground Zero

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by pelathais

You rose colored glasses guys are about to see just how Islam has been so successful in spreading its grip on humanity.

1. Infiltration and Taqiyya (deceit)

2. Imposition of Sharia - at first "just for Muslims" - then forced upon everyone else

3. Replacement of Christian/Jewish/Hindu/Buddhist and other houses of worship with mosques and the prohibition against building new non-Muslim houses of worship and ever prohibiting the repair and maintenance of existing structures

4. The Islamisation of the country and gene pool by forcing young girls into Muslim marriages and government subsidies for Muslims who marry and "convert" a "spouse" to Islam

Indonesia became the largest Muslim country in the world within just a little over 100 years by following these steps. Nigeria has proven a harder nut to crack - but they're half way there already. Sudan required some "ethnic cleansing" - no big deal.

Of course India is the world's largest open wound and has been ever since the Muslim invasion.

How will we fare?

20 years from now, we won't fare well at all. When they gain control, they will enforce Islam on all.

And what is very interesting - Louis Farrakhan says of Obama, "I LOVE that BROTHER".

What does the Koran say?

Surah 5:51 "Oh you who believe (Muslims) do not take the Jews and el-nasara (Christians) as friends. They are friends to one another. And whoever among you takes them as friends, so surely he is one of them. Surely God does not guide the unjust people.

What does that tell us about Obama's professed faith as a Christian? That he isn't one.

He is able to lie about that fact IF he believes in his heart he is a Muslim.

Surah 16:106 "Whoever becomes an infidel in God after he believed, except one who was forced and his heart is secure in faith; but whoever opens his chest to the unbelief, the anger of God will be on them and they will have great torment."

I saw and heard this speech before the video (at the bottom of the link) was removed. It must have been removed from YouTube sometime after the election.

UPDATE, October 13, 2008: Louis Farrakhan calls Barack Obama "the Messiah."

"You are the instruments that God is gonna use to bring about universal change, and that is why Barack has captured the youth. And he has involved young people in a political process that they didn’t care anything about. That’s a sign. When the Messiah speaks, the youth will hear, and the Messiah is absolutely speaking."

http://www.theatlanticright.com/2008...a-the-messiah/

Farrakhan cannot and would not be able to say these things to a non-Muslim.

Found someone that captured the speech. It starts at 3:47. The guy in the video has approximately 11 videos in the series on Islam.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et3H1...yer_embedded#!

[DAII]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Our definitions of Christian varies greatly. But I have heard this same diatribe from the radical left, demonizing Christians, because they equal Republican with Christian.

Sir, this has nothing to do with my definition of Christian ... don't be disingenous... the KKK presents itself as a Christian organization speaking for Western Christian civilization just like many radical Muslim groups attempt to speak for most peaceful Muslims.

If you'd like we could delve into your universalist definition of Christianity.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by crakjak

this is not the work of any mainstream of christianity. And it is blasphemy for you to present it as such.

It was pretty mainstream in Bosnia at initial glance ... but of course we must realize that throughout history many have used and hijacked religion disingenuously as a means to power and influence ...

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by crakjak

this is not the work of any mainstream of christianity. And it is blasphemy for you to present it as such.

Nor is blowing up women, children and innocents in sky scrapers the work of mainstream Muslims.

Shia
Sunni
Sufis
Sahaba
Hurufism
Kaysanites
Khurramites
Muhammadites
Nuqtavi
Tawussites
Waifites
Hanafi
Shafi'i
Maliki
Hanbali
Ash'ari
Maturidi
Murji'ah
Mu'tazili
Salafism
Barelwi
Deobandi
Al-ikhwan Al-Muslimun
Jamaat-e-Islami
Nation of Islam
Western vs. Eastern
Varying degrees of belief in between

All varying sects, denominations, etc of Islam... just to name a few. How silly and foolish of you to suggest all Muslim friends are hateful zealots anymore than all Christians are affiliated with those wack jobs of the Westboro Baptist Church.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

Nor is blowing up women, children and innocents in sky scrapers the work of mainstream Muslims.

Shia
Sunni
Sufis
Sahaba
Hurufism
Kaysanites
Khurramites
Muhammadites
Nuqtavi
Tawussites
Waifites
Hanafi
Shafi'i
Maliki
Hanbali
Ash'ari
Maturidi
Murji'ah
Mu'tazili
Salafism
Barelwi
Deobandi
Al-ikhwan Al-Muslimun
Jamaat-e-Islami
Nation of Islam
Western vs. Eastern
Varying degrees of belief in between

All varying sects, denominations, etc of Islam... just to name a few. How silly and foolish of you to suggest all Muslim friends are hateful zealots anymore than all Christians are affiliated with those wack jobs of the Westboro Baptist Church.

But Steyn, Limbaugh, Beck, Savage and Levine... told me so.

[BeenThinkin]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

Nor is blowing up women, children and innocents in sky scrapers the work of mainstream Muslims.

Shia
Sunni
Sufis
Sahaba
Hurufism
Kaysanites
Khurramites
Muhammadites
Nuqtavi
Tawussites
Waifites
Hanafi
Shafi'i
Maliki
Hanbali
Ash'ari
Maturidi
Murji'ah
Mu'tazili
Salafism
Barelwi
Deobandi
Al-ikhwan Al-Muslimun
Jamaat-e-Islami
Nation of Islam
Western vs. Eastern
Varying degrees of belief in between

All varying sects, denominations, etc of Islam... just to name a few. How silly and foolish of you to suggest all Muslim friends are hateful zealots anymore than all Christians are affiliated with those wack jobs of the Westboro Baptist Church.

What is the "work of mainstream Muslims?"

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Yup, he kicked off Ramadan with his Islamic crew but dissed the Christians and the boyscouts....anyone think he is gonna get re-elected?

No.

I just hope the Republicans present someone worth voting for, that is a compassionate conservative. If we present someone that is hard to the right and runs primarily on an anti-Obama platfform, I won't vote for that person.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by DAII

The same Christian jihadists were clamoring for a Muslim round-up after 9/11 ... and would do the same now.

Your appeals to wartime powers during "declared" war time ... is more obfuscation ...

If your retort is "we're at war" then let's declare martial law.

Find the middle.

You are not involving yourself seriously. I am actually disappointed that you can't be engaged in a discussion on topics like this. By "going over the top" myself I had thought that hype would illustrate hyperbole and things would chill. No matter. Lessons learned. You really have nothing to say on multicultural issues. Sad.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by DAII

Bosnian genocide against Muslims ... in the name of Jesus.

What was done by the ethnic Serbs in the 1990s was unjustifiable, however did you ever consider this: Kosovo and its environs used to be the Serbian heartland. Now it is majority Muslim. What happened to all the Serbs of Kosovo?

And the Serbs acted out in ethnic anger - not "in the name of Jesus." "Jesus" wasn't even part of the discussion.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by DAII

We can argue about the Constitutionality of a million issues in the past but this one is CLEAR CUT. We expect the office to uphold the Constitution and in this case it does and the zealots go bananas.

Now the litmus test is what others do - the Germans, the Japanese, et al and our "emotions".

We're not the French! Remember that argument?

Perhaps we should re-examine the Churches built near Indian reservations and near massacre grounds in order to Christianize the "savages"?

If this were a Church being rejected by our nation's leader on the Trail of Tears because it is not "wise" to offend ...? Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

Really? Don't argue for "strict constructionism" any more when the next Supreme Court appointee rolls around when the President uses it to guide his opinion ... because you don't give a rat's lass' tail about the Constitution.

All this talk about betrayal and our mores .... where were the kool-aid drinkers when the last Christian President lied to us and said we needed to nation build because some non-religious despot had WMDs while committing our troops to bloodshed, killing of innocents under the banner of "collateral damage" and betraying the trust we've worked so hard to garner from our allies? ....

Your brand of constitutionalism only applies to your asinine agendas.

Timlan nailed it when he remarked on FB today ... about the Christian "right" who would mix their Christianity and spiritualize politics like any radical Islamic fundamentalist ...

"Oh yeah, the right is like a bunch of greased pigs on this one. You can't pin them down. Someone was saying that "Saudi Arabia does not allow churches" so we should shut down mosques. Yeah, that's what we should aspire to, I guess, being a fundamentalist religious theocracy instead of a constitutional republic. Great logic."

Liberty is not a la carte.

Dan, I agree that Muslims have a right to build a mosque or whatever they are calling it wherever they want as long as it complies with building codes and zoning regulations. I think most of us agree with that. I saw poll numbers some where that show that most Americans would agree with that.

I think that what has angered many is that they think (right or wrong) that the Muslims are doing this as an "in your face" memorial to their victory against the great satan in which they killed so many "infidels." Is this their intent? I don't know. I can't see inside their hearts. Some people think that the Muslims should be more considerate of people's feelings.

As far as letting them build a mosque here when Saudi Arabia lets Christians build churches there, that is not the spirit we are supposed to exhibit. Aren't we better than they?

As far as weapons of mass destruction, well, it is my understanding that according to the best intelligence available at the time, it was thought that there were weapons in Iraq. I think we (the U.S.) was acting on the best data available at the time.

Should we have gone into Iraq? Well, that's a whole different question. Some think we should have and some think we should not have. I can't answer that one.