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Old 10-03-2013, 12:57 PM
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Amen. And few songs about the absolute power of God against wickedness.

I like the Psalms of David... imagine, as a man, worshiping to something like this...
Save Me, O My God

A Psalm of David, when he fled from Absalom his son.

Psalms 3:1-8 (ESV)
1 O Lord, how many are my foes!
Many are rising against me;
2 many are saying of my soul,
there is no salvation for him in God. Selah


3 But you, O Lord, are a shield about me,
my glory, and the lifter of my head.
4 I cried aloud to the Lord,
and he answered me from his holy hill. Selah


5 I lay down and slept;
I woke again, for the Lord sustained me.
6 I will not be afraid of many thousands of people
who have set themselves against me all around.


7 Arise, O Lord!
Save me, O my God!
For you strike all my enemies on the cheek;
you break the teeth of the wicked.


8 Salvation belongs to the Lord;
your blessing be on your people! Selah
God used to be a God who arose and broke the faces of the wicked. Today... he's as soft as the mall Santa.

Imagine a God who symbolically portrays His passion for His people as a lover fantasizes about ravishing His beloved in ways that would make most churches blush (Song of Solomon).

Today... God is almost divorced from everything truly masculine. He's a "Father"... However, even His Father hood is emphasized as being warm and fuzzy... we don't see the Father who will slam the doors when angry and shake the rafters. We don't see the Father who hears a noise and grabs the shotgun in preparation to blow any threat to his family out of existence. In a way... like the men of the Church... God's been feminized... or perhaps softened is a better word. People gasp at the "Allah" of Islam... but he seems to have a lot more in common with the God of the Bible than what is portrayed in most contemporary churches.
The Third Psalm is one our family uses in worship quite often, it's one of the first one's we learned. (We use the Scottish Metrical Psalter.)

O Lord, how are my foes increased;
Against me many rise!
Many say of my soul, for him
in God no succour lies.

Yet thou my shield and glory art
Th'uplifter of my head
I cried, and from his holy hill
the Lord me answer made

I laid me down to sleep, I waked
for God sustain-ed me
I will not fear tho ten thousands
set round against me be

Arise, O Lord, save me my God
for thou my foes hast stroke
all on the cheek-bone, and the teeth
of wicked men hast broke

Salvation doth appertain
unto the Lord alone
Thy blessing, Lord, for evermore
thy people is upon
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Old 10-03-2013, 12:59 PM
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I believe You're my healer
I believe You are all I need
I believe You're my portion
I believe You're more than enough for me
Jesus, You're all I need

Nothing is impossible for You
Nothing is impossible
Nothing is impossible for You
You hold my world in Your hands
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God is fighting for us,
God is on our side
He has overcome,
Yes He has overcome
We will not be shaken,
We will not be moved
Jesus You are here

Carrying our burdens,
Covering our shame
He has overcome,
Yes He has overcome
We will not be shaken,
We will not be moved
Jesus You are here

I will live, I will not die
The resurrection power of Christ
Alive in me and I am free
In Jesus' Name
I will live, I will not die
I will declare and lift You high,
Christ revealed and I am healed
In Jesus' Name

God is fighting for us,
Pushing back the darkness
Lighting up the Kingdom
That cannot be shaken
In the Name of Jesus,
Enemy's defeated
And we will shout it out,
Shout it out
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I may never march in the infan...

Oh wait..

lol
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Blessed be the Name of the Lord
Blessed be Your Name
Blessed be the Name of the Lord
Blessed be Your glorious Name
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You hear me when I call
You are my morning song
Though darkness fills the night
It cannot hide the light

Whom shall I fear

You crush the enemy
Underneath my feet
You are my sword and shield
Though troubles linger still

Whom shall I fear

I know who goes before me
I know who stands behind
The God of angel armies
Is always by my side

The one who reigns forever
He is a friend of mine
The God of angel armies
Is always by my side

My strength is in Your name
For You alone can save
You will deliver me
Yours is the victory

Whom shall I fear
Whom shall I fear

The God of angel armies
Is always by my side
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what I like about the Psalms is:

1. They are unquestionably of Divine Inspiration.

2. They cover the entire range of human experience with God.

3. They glorify God.

4. They speak prophetically of Christ and thus teach doctrine.

5. They have no enforceable copyright.
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I love the sing-the-Psalms crowd.

Here's one for them to put to music and sing:

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5My wounds stink and are corrupt because of my foolishness.
6I am troubled; I am bowed down greatly; I go mourning all the day long.
7For my loins are filled with a loathsome disease: and there is no soundness in my flesh.


You'd have people dancing in the living room of your house church with that one!
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BTW, one problem with 'contemporary worship music' is not just the lyrics (or lack thereof), but the melodies and instrumentation used. A lot of songs nowadays just SOUND like pop music or what guys would probably call 'girl music', designed to invoke sentimental gushes of emotion.

But that's a problem in society at large as well, of course.

And no I am not advocating thrash metal in church meetings.

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BTW, one problem with 'contemporary worship music' is not just the lyrics (or lack thereof), but the melodies and instrumentation used. A lot of songs nowadays just SOUND like pop music or what guys would probably call 'girl music', designed to invoke sentimental gushes of emotion.

But that's a problem in society at large as well, of course.

And no I am not advocating thrash metal in church meetings.

lol
So David and his HARP sounded like, what, Journey, U2, Aerosmith?

I've heard a harp played before. Girliest sounding instrument I've heard, besides a flute.
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I love the sing-the-Psalms crowd.

Here's one for them to put to music and sing:





You'd have people dancing in the living room of your house church with that one!
I'm glad you love us!

As I said, there is a psalm for every occasion, good, bad, and ugly.

Sometimes it is appropriate to weep rather than laugh (Eccles 7:2).

There are psalms of rejoicing and triumph, psalms of petition, and psalms of lament. Through the psalms we are able to sing to the Lord regardless of what situation we find ourselves in.

The Psalm you mentioned is the 38th. Here is a metrical version:

1 In thy great indignation,
O Lord, rebuke me not;
Nor on me lay thy chast'ning hand,
in thy displeasure hot.
2 For in me fast thine arrows stick,
thine hand doth press me sore:
3 And in my flesh there is no health,
nor soundness any more.

This grief I have, because thy wrath
is forth against me gone;
And in my bones there is no rest,
for sin that I have done.
4 Because gone up above mine head
my great transgressions be;
And, as a weighty burden, they
too heavy are for me.

5 My wounds do stink, and are corrupt;
my folly makes it so.
6 I troubled am, and much bow'd down;
all day I mourning go.
7 For a disease that loathsome is
so fills my loins with pain,
That in my weak and weary flesh
no soundness doth remain.

8 So feeble and infirm am I,
and broken am so sore,
That, through disquiet of my heart,
I have been made to roar.
9 O Lord, all that I do desire
is still before thine eye;
And of my heart the secret groans
not hidden are from thee.

10 My heart doth pant incessantly,
my strength doth quite decay;
As for mine eyes, their wonted light
is from me gone away.
11 My lovers and my friends do stand
at distance from my sore;
And those do stand aloof that were
kinsmen and kind before.

12 Yea, they that seek my life lay snares:
who seek to do me wrong
Speak things mischievous, and deceits
imagine all day long.
13 But, as one deaf, that heareth not,
I suffer'd all to pass;
I as a dumb man did become,
whose mouth not open'd was:

14 As one that hears not, in whose mouth
are no reproofs at all.
15 For, Lord, I hope in thee; my God,
thou'lt hear me when I call.
16 For I said, Hear me, lest they should
rejoice o'er me with pride;
And o'er me magnify themselves,
when as my foot doth slide.

17 For I am near to halt, my grief
is still before mine eye:
18 For I'll declare my sin, and grieve
for mine iniquity.
19 But yet mine en'mies lively are,
and strong are they beside;
And they that hate me wrongfully
are greatly multiply'd.

20 And they for good that render ill,
as en'mies me withstood;
Yea, ev'n for this, because that I
do follow what is good.
21 Forsake me not, O Lord; my God,
far from me never be.
22 O Lord, thou my salvation art,
haste to give help to me.

This is a wonderful psalm! It expresses what many people have in fact felt - the need for God to deliver them, their hunger and thirst for God to move in their life, and recognition of sin and a cry of repentance.

I love the Psalms!
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