Why shouldn't I vote for Obama??

[George]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

You didn't have to bro.  I forgive you.  I just don't know why you'd say that about me or anyone else who understands that these internet rumors are just propaganda and urban legend.  That really hurt bro.  I'd have more (not much more) respect for a man who just said he didn't like Obama because he was black or a man who said Obama was just too liberal than a man who would propagate and argue that proven falsehoods were facts.

I'd have more (not much) respect for you if you just said I am voting for Obama.  You keep screaming Mark and I are speaking falsehoods but you haven't taken the time to read Obama's books and learn about him and his church.  All you talk is snopes and uban legends.  Why don't you visit his church website and see they pledge allegiance to Africa?  Why don't you read his own books and find out his most critical years of development were in a Muslim school? b THAT IS NOT RUMOR OR FALSEHOOD OR STUPID EMAILS.  HE WROTE IT IN HIS OWN BOOK!  You apparently have no idea how third world countries operate.  Your ties to Canada are so close to America you can't comprehend what these other foreign countries are like.  You ought to respect and listen to Sis. Alvear.  The woman knows what she is talking about.

[George]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

My dad was a druggie and an alcoholic who beat my mom within an inch of her life while visiting when I was about five years old. I don't believe what you're saying. We have free will to be and do whatever we choose.

You would argue with God! Thank goodness you found a way out of your hell-hole but most in the same situation never find a better way. They become their parents.

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by George

I'd have more (not much) respect for you if you just said I am voting for Obama. You keep screaming Mark and I are speaking falsehoods but you haven't taken the time to read Obama's books and learn about him and his church. All you talk is snopes and uban legends. Why don't you visit his church website and see they pledge allegiance to Africa? Why don't you read his own books and find out his most critical years of development were in a Muslim school? b THAT IS NOT RUMOR OR FALSEHOOD OR STUPID EMAILS. HE WROTE IT IN HIS OWN BOOK! You apparently have no idea how third world countries operate. Your ties to Canada are so close to America you can't comprehend what these other foreign countries are like. You ought to respect and listen to Sis. Alvear. The woman knows what she is talking about.

Ok...so who would you make me vote for?

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by George

I'd have more (not much) respect for you if you just said I am voting for Obama. You keep screaming Mark and I are speaking falsehoods but you haven't taken the time to read Obama's books and learn about him and his church. All you talk is snopes and uban legends. Why don't you visit his church website and see they pledge allegiance to Africa? Why don't you read his own books and find out his most critical years of development were in a Muslim school? b THAT IS NOT RUMOR OR FALSEHOOD OR STUPID EMAILS. HE WROTE IT IN HIS OWN BOOK! You apparently have no idea how third world countries operate. Your ties to Canada are so close to America you can't comprehend what these other foreign countries are like. You ought to respect and listen to Sis. Alvear. The woman knows what she is talking about.

Dude, I've looked at some of the quotes offered and without looking at their context I'll admit I'm going to have to read the book before making a judgment on his writings. I've seen too many people taken WAY out of context to believe just anything someone says about someone's book.

And its not a crime to say a pledge to allegiance to Africa...I sing, "God Save Ireland" and other Pro-Irish songs occasionally throughout the year. It's a heritage thing dude. Hey, here's a video of Obama introducing a Christian chaplain (who prays solidly in Jesus Name) to open the Senate and then Obama leads the Senate in the Pledge of Allegiance to the United States of America:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC9veEouqqQ

The school he attended wasn't a "Muslim school" from what I've read. It was a public school in a Muslim country that other American kids attended also.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

The schools he attended weren't specifically "Muslim schools", they were public schools in Muslim countries.

Actually they were Muslim schools because the government there is an Islamc country, not a secular one. However they were NOT Madrassas where Islamic indoctrination goes on.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by ukjustin87

This is completely untrue information. To begin with to be a Muslim you are not baptized or have an initiation. The only requirement to be a Muslim is to confess the Tawhid (Oneness of God). After this they are to believe the basic tenants of Islam (in angels, Tawhid, the Holy Books (which includes the Bible), the Prophets, the resurrection and judgement, and divine fate). They are also to follow the five pillars which include prayer, fasting, charity, pilgrimage, confessing tawhid.

So, if Obama is a Muslim, which he isn't, I can guarantee you that it would have been reported on in the Mainstream media because it would be extremely hard to hide. I mean, it would be fairly hard to hide praying five times a day and going on a Pilgrimage when you are constantly in the media.

If you want to argue against the policy positions of Obama that is fine, but these false accusations of him being Muslim are frankly starting to get old.

This is correct AND all muslims (just to clarify) are expected to do that "pilgrimage" which is a visit to Mecca and to the Kaaba at least once in their lifetime

[George]

It is wrong to pledge allegiance to another country and disregard the country you live in. I don't have a problem with people appreciating their roots, but not to the place it superceeds their allegiance for the country in which they live. They should have greater respect for America or move to Africa. This church is weird! They even require their choir members to wear African clothes! They may be okay for black heritage week, but to require that as the official attire is weird.

I will vote for Hillary before I vote for Obama and I don't like Hillary.

I take as much stock in a youtube clip as any circulating email. All videos can be compromised.

[George]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

This is correct AND all muslims (just to clarify) are expected to do that "pilgrimage" which is a visit to Mecca and to the Kaaba at least once in their lifetime

It is desired to make the pilgramage to Mecca but millions never get there. That does not make them any less a Muslim if they don't reach Mecca. There are millions of Muslims in Africa who never leave the bush they live in.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by George

Without sounding callous, did you have a father in your life or were you raised by a single mother? Most children are so greatly influenced by their father and become who their parents are.

without sounding condenscending, but did you bother to read anything or did you just cut that part out of context? His first father was OUT of his life by 2...his second by 10.

Yes I had a father...he was an Athiest and I ended up Pentecostal...so your point is what?

BTW His Parents...include a mother....she was NOT Muslim.

[George]

Going to Mecca is the only way to become an El Hadj which is much like getting your local license in the UPC.