Ferd you and I know that there's a percentage of goofy right wingers who don't want health reform. Why else would there hero Sarah Palin bring up death panels when it was a lie and they all knew it was a lie?
It's pretty clear why they did it. They want no part of any healthcare reform and they hope it can be Obama's Waterloo. That's really the only logic reason to make up crazy accusations that cause senior citizens to fear for their life.
No Mike. there is NO significant part of the conservative movement, Sarah Palin included who want NO reform!
Once again, you are either lying or you believe something that has been proven to be factually inaccurate.
Ive called you on it repeatedly and you refuse to back down. how about explaining why?
Republicans WANT reform and have provided ample options.
But your leader lied last night when he stated that the republicans werent working with him. the Republicans have stated that they are willing but Barak aint calling.
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Saying that Republicans want the needed reform is not the same as saying that they have been aggressively working toward the needed reform. My hope is that this will be the impetus that actually gets something done and that the end result of the negotiating will be a reform that falls somewhere in the middle. I do not, however, belive that we would be looking at actual reform at this point if, for example, we were into GWB's third term.
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Saying that Republicans want the needed reform is not the same as saying that they have been aggressively working toward the needed reform. My hope is that this will be the impetus that actually gets something done and that the end result of the negotiating will be a reform that falls somewhere in the middle. I do not, however, belive that we would be looking at actual reform at this point if, for example, we were into GWB's third term.
they have... yet for some reason it doesnt matter.
You are spoiled. You have serious bitterness issues. You wouldnt last one year in Somalia, Bolivia, Uraguay, Ghana, Liberia, Guatemala or Malawi. You would be beating a path to America as fast as you could because no matter what sins we as a nation have committed, we are still the best place to live on the planet. PERIOD!
I never said America wasn't good. I just refuted the lie of 233 years of freedom.
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Honestly you need to start another thread, this has NOTHING to do with government run healthcare. By the way, what oppression are you living with right now Light? How is America treating you? What are your issues with the present state of affairs?
Number one you are the one that equated freedom to health care.
Number Two I am not oppressed by any one. I don't get pulled over by the cops for no reason!!!! Why because I am white. Still happens to blacks and Mexicans every day.
Number Three I have issues with people who fought Medicare but
now say they are for Medicare and all of a sudden when they think that supporting Medicare will help their cause the are all for it. Hypocrites. Those that support these bums are hypocrites as well.
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Clarence Thomas seems to be doing just fine on the Supreme Court even though he lived in racist Georgia in the 1950s and 60s. It didnt stop him from working hard and getting good grades and rising through the ranks to become a SC Justice.
Condolezza Rice did pretty good for herself. There are thousands of black entrepeneurs, thousands of black millionaires, thousands of black students in universities all over the country. What's the problem?
(if you havent noticed---we also have a black President) Cry me a river, build a bridge and GET OVER IT!
Wow you name 3 blacks out of the millions. Brilliant!!
Its spelled entrepreneurs.
My problem? Just your 233 years of freedom
How about some names of those hung by the neck by rednecks???
Repbulicans even went to the trouble of writing an acutal bill that democrats have burried and wont talk about.
Ferd, you're missing my point. According to this article, the Republican health care proposal was written this year...during Obama's administration...as a result and counter of the Dem proposal. This was not something that was being introduced during the 8 years of GWB's administration or any other Republican administration that I am aware of. That's why I said that hopefully this will all work out as an impetus for the reform that everybody suddenly acknowledges is needed.
That is my whole point. If reform is good for America then I hope that now that both sides are seriously proposing, it will come about.
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Ferd, you're missing my point. According to this article, the Republican health care proposal was written this year...during Obama's administration...as a result and counter of the Dem proposal. This was not something that was being introduced during the 8 years of GWB's administration or any other Republican administration that I am aware of. That's why I said that hopefully this will all work out as an impetus for the reform that everybody suddenly acknowledges is needed.
That is my whole point. If reform is good for America then I hope that now that both sides are seriously proposing, it will come about.
there was legislation passed and more proposed during the 8 years of GWB.
be that as it may, healthcare took a back seat to the war on terror (for good or ill and I wont debate that).
That is clearly a fact. But that is no excuse to suggest that repbulicans right now do not want real substantive reform.
They do. however the president last night (I am told) suggested that he has not heard from Republicans on the issue. It seems the President agrees with Mike from Arkansas.
Yet at the same time, repbulican leader after republican leader has stated that they have agreed to work with the preisident but have not heard back from the whitehouse.
Republicans have offered bills and suggestions to be included only to be shown the perverbial door.
it is dishonest to slam a door in a persons face, then turn around and suggest they refused the invite to the party.
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No Mike. there is NO significant part of the conservative movement, Sarah Palin included who want NO reform!
Once again, you are either lying or you believe something that has been proven to be factually inaccurate.
Ive called you on it repeatedly and you refuse to back down. how about explaining why?
Republicans WANT reform and have provided ample options.
But your leader lied last night when he stated that the republicans werent working with him. the Republicans have stated that they are willing but Barak aint calling.
I thought you right wingers wanted tort reform? Sounded to me like the President offered it last night. I thought you right wingers wanted insurance exchanges to help give small businesses more competitive leverage in the market place? The President offered it last night. I thought after the past 10 years of constant spending you were suddenly worried about budget neutrality and not driving up a billion dollar deficit over 10 years? The President emphatically said he wouldn't sign a bill that raised the deficit a single dime.
It sounds like he's listening to me. The actuality of it is the Repub's want to write the bill and get everything they want even though the Dem's won a mandate in the last election. Elections have consequences Ferd. Surely you don't think the Republicans should write the bill and get everything they want signed by a Democratic President and Congress.
There is a large element of your party that has tried harder to kill healthcare reform just for political games than there is people who are willing to sit at the table and work it out. Your party has spent the past 2 months spreading lies and disinformation. That's not furthering the cause of healthcare reform Ferd.
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Ferd, you're missing my point. According to this article, the Republican health care proposal was written this year...during Obama's administration...as a result and counter of the Dem proposal. This was not something that was being introduced during the 8 years of GWB's administration or any other Republican administration that I am aware of. That's why I said that hopefully this will all work out as an impetus for the reform that everybody suddenly acknowledges is needed.
That is my whole point. If reform is good for America then I hope that now that both sides are seriously proposing, it will come about.
I think we all hope that the silly political games of the right will be put aside now that the recess is over tstew. It's not constructive and it doesn't help the uninsured in this country or the under insured.
I just don't have the confidence that many on the Republican side are truly interested in reform. They've been given things in the bills that they want, yet they continue to misrepresent and misconstrue.
I think the time for their games is coming to an end though. I think we'll have a bill and have a vote by Jan. or Feb.
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