Angels reproducing with humans possible?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Sean

Isnt it interesting that Jesus never mentioned demon babies when He said that His return would be like the days of Noah, but He did mention the HUMANS were caught up in illicit marriages...



37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.



Was "they" and "them" speaking of the demons marrying women, or the HUMANS marrying women?....Jesus was talking about the subject of marriage in Gen 6 right here in Matt. 24.

What say ye?.....LOL

Jesus did not say illicit. He did not even mention sins. You are missing the point there which is people won't know or be aware of their tmpendng doom

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Sean

Citing heretics in the early centuries makes weak arguments...you should read this...

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...Iq9gEVqmswnZ0Q

Come on brother

You too are quick to cite people from the early centuries, whenever they agree with you.

and of course there are always web pages that will support your views or ours.

you are very selective in your citation of scriptures, testimonies and ancient texts.

why don't you be a little be more inclusive and instead of ignoring the scriptures that disagree with you, explain to us 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Come on brother

You too are quick to cite people from the early centuries, whenever they agree with you.

and of course there are always web pages that will support your views or ours.

you are very selective in your citation of scriptures, testimonies and ancient texts.

why don't you be a little be more inclusive and instead of ignoring the scriptures that disagree with you, explain to us 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6?

How do you know that they were not murderers like the devil as per John 8:44? What if their sin was a haughty spirit and pride that caused them to fall as per Proverbs 16:18?

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

How do you know that they were not murderers like the devil as per John 8:44? What if their sin was a haughty spirit and pride that caused them to fall as per Proverbs 16:18?

You are right, I do not know, no scripture mentions that.

however the scriptures do mentioned that they sinned.
so the question is what was their sin?
we have to go by what evidence the Bible tells us.

The scriptures say the following
KJV "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation"

Darby "And angels who had not kept their own original state, but had abandoned their own dwelling,"

ISV "those angels who did not keep their own position but abandoned their assigned place"

These texts could be taken to mean that they left their angelic estate and assumed a different state (human?) and for what purpose?

Angels are very powerful beings, so
what advantage does an angel get from becoming human?

We are simply following the crumbs trail of biblical texts to arrive at our conclusion.

Do you have any biblical texts that you could use for your conclusions?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

You are right, I do not know, no scripture mentions that.

however the scriptures do mentioned that they sinned.
so the question is what was their sin?
we have to go by what evidence the Bible tells us.

The scriptures say the following
KJV "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation"

Darby "And angels who had not kept their own original state, but had abandoned their own dwelling,"

ISV "those angels who did not keep their own position but abandoned their assigned place"

These texts could be taken to mean that they left their angelic estate and assumed a different state (human?) and for what purpose?

Angels are very powerful beings, so
what advantage does an angel get from becoming human?

We are simply following the crumbs trail of biblical texts to arrive at our conclusion.

Do you have any biblical texts that you could use for your conclusions?

I can only say that they left their first estate or principality. And being that I know of another, the devil, who was a murder, I would assume they entered a lower realm to cause havoc, like the devil. There is no solid proof in the Bible that they became human beings. It's purely speculation.

I have no idea what mating and growing really tall is about. Dude, you are tall because your dad was a fallen angel. I mean, it sounds rather silly to me.

As far as quoting Josephus, he is known to be prone to exaggeration, although some of his historical facts are accurate.

Perhaps we should discuss how Satan transforms into an angel of light. If he is the chief prince, the fallen angels wouldn't act any different as way of comparison.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I can only say that they left their first estate or principality. And being that I know of another, the devil, who was a murder, I would assume they entered a lower realm to cause havoc, like the devil. There is no solid proof in the Bible that they became human beings. It's purely speculation.

I have no idea what mating and growing really tall is about. Dude, you are tall because your dad was a fallen angel. I mean, it sounds rather silly to me.

As far as quoting Josephus, he is known to be prone to exaggeration, although some of his historical facts are accurate.

Perhaps we should discuss how Satan transforms into an angel of light. If he is the chief prince, the fallen angels wouldn't act any different as way of comparison.

Maybe it is speculation, but then how do you explain the text from Genesis 6?

Genesis 6:2 "That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."

If the sons of God were just humans then what would have been remarkable about this? Since the prior verses already mentioned the early descendants of Adam having children.

And how would the mating of human male with human female create giants?

Satan is evil and rebelled against God, but that does not mean that all the fallen angels only did what he did.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Maybe it is speculation, but then how do you explain the text from Genesis 6?

Genesis 6:2 "That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."

If the sons of God were just humans then what would have been remarkable about this? Since the prior verses already mentioned the early descendants of Adam having children.

And how would the mating of human male with human female create giants?

Satan is evil and rebelled against God, but that does not mean that all the fallen angels only did what he did.

Why can't it just make logical sense that these men, i.e., "sons of God" were simply those that were created by God and termed as "sons" in the sense we are called the "sons of God" if we are led by His Spirit - Romans 8:14?

And why can't the "Daughter's of men" simply be an example of being unequally yoked?

Why can't it be relational and not mystical?

Is God grieved because he is disappointed that His creation is still tempted by evil like Adam and Eve? No matter what He does for us, we generally keep messing up because of the lust of the eyes, lust of the flesh and the pride of life.

That's all I see going on in Genesis 6:4 - self-serving mankind.

[shag]

Here's how I'm seeing this. 1st verse below says some angels sinned. 2nd verse below says they did not keep their position of authority, and abandoned their proper dwelling place. So let me ask, is it not possible that it was a major sin in the eyes of God, for His angels in authority to "walk out" on God by leaving their place if abode? These 2 scriptures of agreement do not say what they did after they left, but that they left authoritative positions and left their "realm" where God obviously didn't want them to. Is that not enough to make God furious? Or must we reach for another conclusion, an assumption from Gen. 6....?


2 Peter 2:4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment;

Jude 1:6
And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling--these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.



In the verse 3 below, why did God say that "my spirit shall not strive with man forever for HE is indeed flesh, if angels were "what" were the primary ones that majorly trespassed in the preceding 2 verses? Why not talk about the AMGEL'S trespass?


Gen 6
1 Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them,
2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
3 And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.”




4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.


And why in verse five and six, was he so quick to put the rap on man and man's wickedness, and says nothing about Angels? I mean if he's going to bind angels in chains until the day of judgment, that's pretty extreme, it sure looks like he would've said something about it here, instead of putting all of his focus on man and mans fault that is WHO every intent and thoughts of his heart that does only evil continually. What about those angels Lord, nothing to say about their wickedness or binding them for thousands of years, only mans wickedness?

5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.



Very next verse: What about the angels wickedness Lord? Not a word....

7 So the Lord said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.”


Or is all this thinking "caught" by the assumption that angels took on mans form to have sex with women, so The Lord never needed to mention anything about "angel wickedness of the heart and imagination, because they were supposedly transformed into men? If so that's got to be the stretch of all stretches IMHO just because we're not sure where some extra tall men in history inherited their traits?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Maybe it is speculation, but then how do you explain the text from Genesis 6?

Genesis 6:2 "That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."

If the sons of God were just humans then what would have been remarkable about this? Since the prior verses already mentioned the early descendants of Adam having children.

And how would the mating of human male with human female create giants?

Satan is evil and rebelled against God, but that does not mean that all the fallen angels only did what he did.

The remarkability about this is the men having multiple wives and committing fornication...this same act caused 23000 souls to perish...

1 Cor 10:8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Come on brother

You too are quick to cite people from the early centuries, whenever they agree with you.

and of course there are always web pages that will support your views or ours.

you are very selective in your citation of scriptures, testimonies and ancient texts.

why don't you be a little be more inclusive and instead of ignoring the scriptures that disagree with you, explain to us 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6?

Brother, the fact about me, I give little credence to ancient commentaries...Paul warned against false teachers to come, especially in his day. We need to let the Bible itself be the final authority, and not Jewish unbelievers like Josephus.