Emergent Church

[Sam]

Is that guy part of the Conservative UPC minister forum?
Since I'm not a member over there I don't know if you "borrowed" it from their forum or not.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Sam

Is that guy part of the Conservative UPC minister forum?
Since I'm not a member over there I don't know if you "borrowed" it from their forum or not.

LOL! I thought some would think he was UPC, but he is not! LOL!

He is Dr. Mike S. Adams, a professor of Criminal Justice at the University of North Carolina at Wilmington. He is also a regular contributor at www.townhall.com.

Pretty observant on his part.

[edjen01]

I find Dr.Adams comments to be irresponsible at best. should any man ever state that he is going to do the acts that he discribes? I wonder how the dean of his university feels about it?

I understand his point...but believe his words are careless and completely out of line.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by edjen01

I find Dr.Adams comments to be irresponsible at best. should any man ever state that he is going to do the acts that he discribes? I wonder how the dean of his university feels about it?

I understand his point...but believe his words are careless and completely out of line.

You would have to know Mike's writing style. His readers know his comments are TIC to make an explosive point. If you don't follow him, you wouldn't get it. Also, he used to live in Clear Lake City, near Houston. That is where I lived when I worked in Houston during the early 80's. He's got that "rumble" Texas attitude and I like it! - "Remember the Alamo!" and all that kinda lingo. LOL!

I agree with one of his points, as I've observed this very thing:

"...a watered-down version of Christianity that appeals to people who want a little religion but have no desire to change their behavior."

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

LOL! I thought some would think he was UPC, but he is not! LOL!

He is Dr. Mike S. Adams, a professor of Criminal Justice at the University of North Carolina at Wilmington. He is also a regular contributor at www.townhall.com.

Pretty observant on his part.

Kind of lame, IMHO. He strikes out with his shock proposition of "rap[ing] the minister's wife" and then saddles that same minister with the accusation of condoning such behavior. No wonder he flunked all of his English courses.

I don't know anything about the "Blue Like Jazz" book other than I've heard of it. I am a little bit more familiar with Dr. Adams' frat boy antics and I find them to be boring. Adams errs in tying the "Emergent Church" movement together with moral relativism. Those really are two different "isms" as his lunatic illustration makes abundantly clear.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Kind of lame, IMHO. He strikes out with his shock proposition of "rap[ing] the minister's wife" and then saddles that same minister with the accusation of condoning such behavior. No wonder he flunked all of his English courses.

I don't know anything about the "Blue Like Jazz" book other than I've heard of it. I am a little bit more familiar with Dr. Adams' frat boy antics and I find them to be boring. Adams errs in tying the "Emergent Church" movement together with moral relativism. Those really are two different "isms" as his lunatic illustration makes abundantly clear.

I never find him boring and his "frat boy" antics are always very engaging. Certainly wouldn't ever be able to call the guy a Conservative. That's for sure. LOL! He always hits the nail smack on the head, IMO! Says exactly what others fear to say or to address.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

You would have to know Mike's writing style. His readers know his comments are TIC to make an explosive point. If you don't follow him, you wouldn't get it. Also, he used to live in Clear Lake City, near Houston. That is where I lived when I worked in Houston during the early 80's. He's got that "rumble" Texas attitude and I like it! - "Remember the Alamo!" and all that kinda lingo. LOL!

I agree with one of his points, as I've observed this very thing:

"...a watered-down version of Christianity that appeals to people who want a little religion but have no desire to change their behavior."

From what I've seen of the "way cool" and "Emergent Church" thing - a rather radical commitment to the local church and to whatever Christianity is appears to be required. Just check out the "IHOP" folks who haven't taken a break in their ongoing worship service that has been ongoing for something like 3 years now.

I may not agree with some of the actual doctrines of many of these places, but the fact that I have found anything at all to disagree with would appear to indicate that they do believe something.

Adams is an ill informed critic of the Christian world. He's just another liberal who got "mugged" on 9/11 and now claims to have a "special revelation" for us all. The fact of the matter is, he's still trying to catch up with folks like you and me.

[edjen01]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

You would have to know Mike's writing style. His readers know his comments are TIC to make an explosive point. If you don't follow him, you wouldn't get it. Also, he used to live in Clear Lake City, near Houston. That is where I lived when I worked in Houston during the early 80's. He's got that "rumble" Texas attitude and I like it! - "Remember the Alamo!" and all that kinda lingo. LOL!

I agree with one of his points, as I've observed this very thing:

"...a watered-down version of Christianity that appeals to people who want a little religion but have no desire to change their behavior."

fair enough. and even while i may agree with his point...no man should EVER joke/kid/TIC/or whatever about raping someone. It's simply not acceptable no matter where you're from!! And someone who is in higher education should understand this.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by pelathais

From what I've seen of the "way cool" and "Emergent Church" thing - a rather radical commitment to the local church and to whatever Christianity is appears to be required. Just check out the "IHOP" folks who haven't taken a break in their ongoing worship service that has been ongoing for something like 3 years now.

I may not agree with some of the actual doctrines of many of these places, but the fact that I have found anything at all to disagree with would appear to indicate that they do believe something.

Adams is an ill informed critic of the Christian world. He's just another liberal who got "mugged" on 9/11 and now claims to have a "special revelation" for us all. The fact of the matter is, he's still trying to catch up with folks like you and me.

Sorry, Pel. I don't agree with your assessment of Mike. His comment - "...a watered-down version of Christianity that appeals to people who want a little religion but have no desire to change their behavior." - is what the majority are seeing around us. It doesn't matter what the IHOP thing is doing. We are looking at the majority example.

He wrote a piece about Joel Osteen, (cited below) which was surprising. I did like that article as well. I've followed him for some time and he mainly was hitting the political establishment. Now he is commenting here and I'm interested as to what a "non-conservative/non-organizational" person is observing. That is my interest in Mike's articles/blogs.

John 14:6 For Dummies

For those who missed it, Joel was asked by Larry whether people had to know Jesus in order to get to heaven. But, for some reason, Joel couldn’t bring himself to provide the simple answer found in John 14:6. It reads as follows in the NASB translation: “Jesus said to him (Thomas), ‘I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through me.’”

Just in case there are any millionaire pastors out there pretending not to get it (because it may hurt their book sales), the point is also made in John 10:7-9: “So Jesus said to them again, ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. All who came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. I am the door; if anyone enters through me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.’”

Just in case anyone read the previous passage as saying, in effect, “I am one of many doors,” Matthew 7:13-14 is instructive: “Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.”

Joel Osteen’s reply to Larry King’s question about Jewish salvation should have been addressed with a reference to the Parable of the Great Supper found in Luke 14:15-24. After rejecting Christ, Israel was shut out of the banquet. Many of those invited were killed in A.D. 70, the year the Temple fell. Luke 14:24 sums it all up (prophetically) in a single sentence: “For I tell you, none of those men who were invited shall taste of my dinner.”

http://townhall.com/Common/PrintPage...1719e51314&t=c

[Sam]

Isn't one of the meanings of "emerge" to "crawl out from under"
and
isn't it time for the church to emerge or crawl out from under the doctrines and traditions of men that we have tried to cover her with, bury her under, stifle her voice with, and suffocate her through?