Re: Is The Serpent Seed Doctine A "Damnable Heresy
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Dan hasn't said he did not carry his mother's DNA.
Don't put me in that category.
Elder Epley might have a similar view to Vaughn's.
Mary furnished what ALL women furnish in conception and God furnished what ALL men furnish in conception what is complicated about that. Mary was his Mother contrary to what Branham and Teke says. The Bible clearly states she was his mother. The linage is traced from her to Adam.
Re: Is The Serpent Seed Doctine A "Damnable Heresy
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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne
You need to know the definition of 'conceive'. Understand that the word for 'conceive' as used to describe what happened to Mary is different than the word used to describe the pregnancy of Elisabeth.
Mt 1:20
But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
1. of men who fathered children
1. to be born
2. to be begotten
1. of women giving birth to children
2. metaph.
1. to engender, cause to arise, excite
2. in a Jewish sense, of one who brings others over to his way of life, to convert someone
3. of God making Christ his son
4. of God making men his sons through faith in Christ's work
Now, the verse about Elisabeth:
Lu 1:24
And after those days his wife Elisabeth conceived, and hid herself five months, saying,
1. to seize, take: one as prisoner
2. to conceive, of a woman
1. metaph. of lust whose impulses a man indulges
3. to seize for one's self
1. in a hostile sense, to make (one a permanent) prisoner
4. to take hold together with one, to assist, help, to succour
It's clear that there is a difference in the two definitions. I find that problematic in what you are claiming.
You find anything that makes sense problematic, H.O. That's why you and I have problems getting along much of the time. If the Bible said "Fat meat is greasy", you'd look for a way to show it wasn't saying that fat meat is greasy. Those are just two words that mean pretty much the same thing. Just like I could say a woman got pregnant or say she had conceived.
Re: Is The Serpent Seed Doctine A "Damnable Heresy
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Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn
Of course Mary was his mother.. and of course he could claim the Davidic throne from her lineage and or course he could be kinsman redeemer from his human birth... but God planted Jesus inside of her womb.. with no human interaction,, no way for the seed of sin to enter the body of Jesus.. he protected Jesus in a womb, an incubator....
I concede that she was indeed pregnant. But this still doesn't prove He was from her seed.
Then again, as I've said from the beginning, it doesn't matter to me if He was or wasn't. He's still God, He's still my Savior, and I'm still His child.
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Re: Is The Serpent Seed Doctine A "Damnable Heresy
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Originally Posted by Rico
You find anything that makes sense problematic, H.O. That's why you and I have problems getting along much of the time. If the Bible said "Fat meat is greasy", you'd look for a way to show it wasn't saying that fat meat is greasy. Those are just two words that mean pretty much the same thing. Just like I could say a woman got pregnant or say she had conceived.
Re: Is The Serpent Seed Doctine A "Damnable Heresy
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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne
Rico, please post scripture as I am doing. The angel didn't say she would conceive, but that which was in her was conceived of the Holy Ghost. There is a difference in what you are saying and what the Bible is saying, even though it can appear to be the same thing.
I believe Jesus was conceived in her of the Holy Ghost, as the Bible says.
I already posted the scripture, H.O. Read it for yourself. He told her THOU SHALT CONCEIVE, not THOU SHALT BE AN INCUBATOR.
Re: Is The Serpent Seed Doctine A "Damnable Heresy
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
Mary furnished what ALL women furnish in conception and God furnished what ALL men furnish in conception what is complicated about that. Mary was his Mother contrary to what Branham and Teke says. The Bible clearly states she was his mother. The linage is traced from her to Adam.
No. It's traced from Joseph to Adam...twice. Why is that? I thought there was a passage where He was traced through Mary, but I can't find it now.
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