I know she called and reported being given to this man and being beaten and abused. I think there is enough evidence from proceeding situations which inferred that it is a common occurrence in this type of sect.
I can see why the authorities went in, but the question remains - where will they stop?
I think they will stop at the law.
Polygamy isn't against the law. That's not what this is about.
It's about child abuse.
I think they will stop there.
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I agree!! These kids needed removed from their mothers... the ones who have already been having sex with these men at such young ages and ... The ones who are a product of teenage mothers also..The mothers and babies need to be taken out of there! . because thats just WRONG and yes folks... if they are under 18 it is still rape!!!
That would depend on each individual State. Each one has its own laws regarding age of consent. It isn't always 18.
That would depend on each individual State. Each one has its own laws regarding age of consent. It isn't always 18.
I don't know about other states, but in Texas we have statutory rape laws. I am not sure on the ages though, I do think if the boy is 17 or older he can be charged if the girl is younger. We need brother Griffin to weigh in on this.
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Polygamy has been a crime from the very founding of this country, and if you read the Justice Waite’s opinion in Reynolds he traces it back in the common law prior to the founding of this country. This is not the ruling of a crazy liberal Supreme Court in the twentieth century, this was the ruling from the nineteenth century!
How in a country that is trying to legalize same sex marriages, can we as a Nation say that polygamy is wrong?
Isn't that the logical next step?
Even though I totally agree with what is going on in TX, as far as the intervention that has been made, I did want to comment on this thought, because I have never heard anyone else voice it. I thought I was the Lone Ranger.
It is terrifying to me that the government can legislate whether or not I wear a seat belt or a helmet when I am driving. It has only to do with my personal safety, so how is it any of their business? And if it is, why do they still allow cigarettes to be sold? And how long will it be before they get to decide what my weight should be legally, for health reasons of course? And if I am exercising enough?
We are having our civil liberties slowly stripped away, and we aren't even aware it is happening I'm afraid.
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Sorry folks......... even though there are some things that are good for us - the government FORCING us to do these things is slowly but surely taking away our rights. I'm all for safety - I buckle my seatbelt every time I get in the car, I think helmets for motorcycle riders make sense, I think that helmets for children on bicycles makes sense - but something deep inside me believes that by passing such laws and not allowing me to make that decision for myself (and/or my children) is slowing desensitizing us to how much control the government has now and how much more it is trying to get.
Even though I totally agree with what is going on in TX, as far as the intervention that has been made, I did want to comment on this thought, because I have never heard anyone else voice it. I thought I was the Lone Ranger.
It is terrifying to me that the government can legislate whether or not I wear a seat belt or a helmet when I am driving. It has only to do with my personal safety, so how is it any of their business? And if it is, why do they still allow cigarettes to be sold? And how long will it be before they get to decide what my weight should be legally, for health reasons of course? And if I am exercising enough?
We are having our civil liberties slowly stripped away, and we aren't even aware it is happening I'm afraid.
The government already does that. It's called 'health care'. If you purchase health care for yourself and you are overweight, you can be denied for that reason alone, even if you are in good health otherwise.
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Are we to believe children can be kidnapped without evidence??
There should have been enough evidence to require DNA samples of every single person in that community. If they did not have enough evidence for that, then surely there is NO compelling reason to steal all the children! The media and Texas is spinning this big time... "The state Texas intends to place all the children in foster care" What?? Without evidence??
The evidence was the under age girls who were pregnant.
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Pregnant children are the evidence and children with babies are evidence. Hard to hide that.
What she said.
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It's just seems whatever the evidence is... they should be using that to retain the perpetrators of the crime - not holding the victims against their will.
BTW-- I am sure there is little doubt that some crimes have been committed.
They do not have the eveidence to take the men because no one has been offering up who the rapists are (the men who actually impregnated the girls) as far as I know. That is why they were questioning the women and children.
BTW, I have seen several references to these being peaceful people, I have to assume that some of you do not know the history of this particular group. This is part of the sect, Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints headed by Warren Jeffs, who has controlled a couple of towns, Colorado City, Arizona, and Hildale, Utah, for years.
I have watched several documentaries and read numerous articles over the years on this group and while the people living in this compound may be peaceful, (if you don't count the raping and beating of young girls of course), this is a very scary, very menacing bunch. In Colorado City they control everything and if you do not belong there, they will usher you out of town very quickly. You are followed from the moment you enter the town. The group in Texas may operate differently only because it is all on private property, they don't have to worry about outsiders as much.
The government already does that. It's called 'health care'. If you purchase health care for yourself and you are overweight, you can be denied for that reason alone, even if you are in good health otherwise.
It is not ME who is saying there is no evidence. I am saying IF they do have the evidence then they should be going after the criminals - not taking mammas away from their children. (unless there is evidence that implicates a mother)
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