"death panels" obamacare

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Light

Palin has backed down, said her statement was wrong. Read the bill.

Where did she say her statement was wrong? Where did she back down?

On her Facebook page, former Alaska governor Sarah Palin says the future of the sick, the elderly, and the disabled will be determined by an Obama “death panel.”




The Democrats promise that a government health care system will reduce the cost of health care, but as the economist Thomas Sowell has pointed out, government health care will not reduce the cost; it will simply refuse to pay the cost. And who will suffer the most when they ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course. The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s “death panel” so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their “level of productivity in society,” whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.

huffingtonpost.com — After making an extraordinary, unsupported and incendiary claim that President Obama's health care plan will result in a "death panel" that is fundamentally "evil" Former Alaska governor Sarah Palin is now calling for civility in the debate on health care reform. Does that mean the SEIU union thugs should try to send less people to the hospital?

She won't back down on abortion evah.

[coadie]

“Such an approach accepts a two-tiered health system-some citizens will receive only basic services while others will receive both basic and some discretionary health services… Substantively, it suggests services that promote the continuation of the polity-those that ensure healthy future generations, ensure development of practical reasoning skills, and ensure full and active participation by citizens in public deliberations-are to be socially guaranteed as basic. Conversely, services provided to individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens are not basic and should not be guaranteed. An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia

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Emanuel’s cold, academic language can’t disguise his philosophies’ resemblances to Adolf Hitler’s. Here’s how Emanuel sums up who is to be treated, and who is to die:

“When implemented, the complete lives system produces a priority curve on which individuals aged between roughly 15 and 40 years get the most substantial chance, whereas the youngest and oldest people get chances that are attenuated.” This may be justified by public opinion, since “broad consensus favours adolescents over very young infants, and young adults over very elderly people.”

Of course, the elderly won’t be the only ones killed. Infants are at the top of his list as well.

Obama drones don't know what is going on. Willfull ignorance.

[Walks_in_islam]

None of the right-wingers can ever explain why people in countries with public healthcare systems (Canada, UK, Australia, and 16 others) LIVE LONGER than people in the US. In fact, average lifespan in the US is (8) months shorter than Costa Rica (where by the way you can't even drink the water). And the healthcare system is the "best in the world?" hahahahahaha.......

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

None of the right-wingers can ever explain why people in countries with public healthcare systems (Canada, UK, Australia, and 16 others) LIVE LONGER than people in the US. In fact, average lifespan in the US is (8) months shorter than Costa Rica (where by the way you can't even drink the water). And the healthcare system is the "best in the world?" hahahahahaha.......

I have no problem explaining. I travel between them to see family,. People like your self don't want truth. America has open borders and all kinds of week, poor etc sneak in. Millions of them. That skews the life expectancy downward. We also use a lot of cocaine from Muslim afghanistan. Muslims there are addicted and ship us drugs. we have a life expectancy for smokers and people with aidws that live longer than most Muslim countries.

You have no room to talk. Muslims sure whine a lot.

[Walks_in_islam]

(laughing) Who is talking about Muslims anyway? Who is whining? The only Muslim country on the "list of countries where life expectancy exceeds the US" is the UAE. You think people don't drink, smoke, or use drugs in Europe, Canada, or Australia? LOL for that matter, the Netherlands, where drugs are legal, have higher life expectancy than the US. What say you to this Coadie?

Originally Posted by coadie

I have no problem explaining. I travel between them to see family,. People like your self don't want truth. America has open borders and all kinds of week, poor etc sneak in. Millions of them. That skews the life expectancy downward. We also use a lot of cocaine from Muslim afghanistan. Muslims there are addicted and ship us drugs. we have a life expectancy for smokers and people with aidws that live longer than most Muslim countries.

You have no room to talk. Muslims sure whine a lot.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

(laughing) Who is talking about Muslims anyway? Who is whining? The only Muslim country on the "list of countries where life expectancy exceeds the US" is the UAE. You think people don't drink, smoke, or use drugs in Europe, Canada, or Australia? LOL for that matter, the Netherlands, where drugs are legal, have higher life expectancy than the US. What say you to this Coadie?

Exactly and they load up their folks and trip to the Cleveland clinic. What does that tell ya? Bring all their wives and body guards and hit Cleveland.
There is no doubt in my mind that obesity which you leave out is not offset by fancier cath Labs. Childhood diabetes is booming here as is suicide. So what. Having "reformed" health insurance won't stop consumption of tons of junk foods. My daughter tried out for the Olympics in the heptathlon. Many of her classmates are chunky. We all go to the same hospitals. Our three children have had 10 friends die in the last few years. Not a single death could be prevented by an improved health insurance system.

[Walks_in_islam]

You think? Australians? Brits? Dutch? 26 countries with longer lives because of Cleveland? hahahahahaha.....the numbers don't add at all.

I am really thinking now. Wouldn't people even in Ohio live longer if the healthcare was so good? Yet Ohio is ranked 36th in life expectancy. Out of the 50 states + DC. Age 76.2. Who do they compare to?

(really laughing) They are FAR BELOW any country with any kind of public healthcare system at all. I won't embarress you. BUT, the good news is they are almost as good as Chile at 76.96 or Equador at 76.62. Ditto Argentina at 76.32. You know, places where you can't drink the water. In fact, they are just above Saudi Arabia at 75.88. Below Kuwait though. I guess those Saudis waste all that travel to add (4) months to their life. LOL......

When people in Cleveland live longer please come back and sell "Cleveland healthcare". What the "best system in the world" data is looking like is a lot of noise with no performance. Otherwise, pass out some dope, convert it to a public system, and at least match the Netherlands at a whopping, backside kicking 79.11

Are drugs still the problem Coadie or is it the stinking mess of a system you are defending?

Originally Posted by coadie

Exactly and they load up their folks and trip to the Cleveland clinic. What does that tell ya? Bring all their wives and body guards and hit Cleveland.
There is no doubt in my mind that obesity which you leave out is not offset by fancier cath Labs. Childhood diabetes is booming here as is suicide. So what. Having "reformed" health insurance won't stop consumption of tons of junk foods. My daughter tried out for the Olympics in the heptathlon. Many of her classmates are chunky. We all go to the same hospitals. Our three children have had 10 friends die in the last few years. Not a single death could be prevented by an improved health insurance system.

[coadie]

(8) Preventive services, including those services recommended with a grade of A or B by the Task Force on Clinical Preventive Services and those vaccines recommended for use by the Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
section 123

Benefits Advisory Committee to recommend covered benefits and essential, enhanced, and premium plans.

(3) MEMBERSHIP- The Health Benefits Advisory Committee shall be composed of the following members, in addition to the Surgeon General:


(A) 9 members who are not Federal employees or officers and who are appointed by the President.

Gotta open section 122, 123 and 124 and combine them.

When we do read and report, the Obama idiots start tossing out words like un patriotic and misinformation.

[coadie]

Here are a few questions to ask about specific HR 3200 areas….

Page 30: A Government committee will decide what treatments & benefits you get. This would be the “Death Panel” and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process.

Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free health care services.

Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans such as SEIU, UAW and ACORN.

Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care Plan

Page 149: Any Employer with a payroll of $400k or more, who does not offer a public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll

Page 241: Doctors: no matter what medical specialty, will all receive the same compensation!!!! You can thank the AMA.

Page 272: Cancer patient treatment will be on a case by case depending on cost of treatment.

Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals

Page 425: Advance Care Planning: Counseling for Senior Citizens, assisted suicide and euthanasia.

Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services will be made available: organizations such as ACORN.

Page 472: Payments will be provided to Community-based organizations (ACORN).

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by coadie

Here are a few questions to ask about specific HR 3200 areas….

Page 30: A Government committee will decide what treatments & benefits you get. This would be the “Death Panel” and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process.

Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free health care services.

Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans such as SEIU, UAW and ACORN.

Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care Plan

Page 149: Any Employer with a payroll of $400k or more, who does not offer a public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll

Page 241: Doctors: no matter what medical specialty, will all receive the same compensation!!!! You can thank the AMA.

Page 272: Cancer patient treatment will be on a case by case depending on cost of treatment.

Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals

Page 425: Advance Care Planning: Counseling for Senior Citizens, assisted suicide and euthanasia.

Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services will be made available: organizations such as ACORN.

Page 472: Payments will be provided to Community-based organizations (ACORN).

Please provide a source for that. While you're at it, provide sources for all of the questions. But mainly the first one.