Supreme Court to Hear Case on Obama

[oletime]

Originally Posted by coadie

So much has been debated about whether or not Barack H. Obama II is or is not a Natural Born US citizen. The problem is that so many people are totally uninformed as to the law as it existed in 1961 as it relates to the transmission of citizenship to a child born outside the US or its Outlying Possessions (OLP).

In an effort to clear the air, to get the FACTS out so people can clearly see the issue without opining or guessing as to the legalities, allow me to pontificate a bit. For the record, I am a recently retired Department of Homeland Security, Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent, with more than 25 years experience. Part of that experience is understanding and comprehending immigration and nationality law which is at the center of this issue. In short, I know a "little bit" about what I speak of.

In 1961, as opposed to TODAY, Section 301(g) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, as amended (INA) required the following: A child being born to one alien parent (i.e.. Non Citizen) and one citizen parent in a marital relationship, required that the sole US citizen parent to have resided in the United States for a period of ten years, five of which must have been over the age of 14. Today's version of the law has somewhat different residency requirements for the US citizen parent. But the law, as it applied on August 4, 1961, required ten years presence, five after the age of 14.

Barack Hussein Obama I (dad), was a citizen and national of Kenya. He was not, nor had never been, a United States citizen. Ergo, he is the "alien" parent in this scenario. Stanley Ann Dunham (mom) was a US citizen by virtue of having been born in the US. At the time of Barack Hussein Obama II's birth on August 4, 1961, Ms. Dunham was 18 years old, having been born in November of 1942. As such, if Barack Hussein Obama II was born outside the US or its Outlying Possessions, on August 4, 1961, then Ms. Dunham could not transmit her citizenship to her son because she failed to have accumulated the necessary physical presence requirements that the LAW (that pesky and inconvenient thing that oftentimes gets in the way of "change") demanded.

The earliest in which Ms. Dunham could have transmitted her citizenship to a child born outside the US would have been when she was 19 years of age, which was in November of 1961 and NOT in August of 1961, when Obama was born.

It's that simple. If he was born in Kenya, or anywhere else for that matter, other than the US or its OLP's, then he is not, nor can never be, eligible to hold the office of President of the United States of America inasmuch as he does not, nor never can, fulfill the requirements of Article II, Clause V of the Constitution of the United States. It's not an optional thing, regardless of whether or not someone thinks it's fair or not. It's the law, that pesky, recurring inconvenience that seems to get in the way, time and time again.

Now, the question remains to be answered if he was born in Kenya or not. The State of Hawaii has weighed in and states that there is a record of Mr. Obama's birth on file in the Department of Vital Statistics. However, THAT is not enough. There are two entirely different and distinct birth documents issued by the State of Hawaii.

The first is a Certificate of Live Birth which is the traditional birth certificate we all are familiar with for children born IN Hawaii.

Then there is a different document entitled Certification of Live Birth, which is issued to children born OUTSIDE of Hawaii but whose birth is registered in Hawaii pursuant to a quaint and scarcely known Hawaiian law, Hawaii Revised Statute 338-17.8. This law allows for the registration of a birth in Hawaii for a child who was born OUTSIDE Hawaii to parents who, for the year immediately preceding the child's birth, claimed Hawaii as their principle place of residence.

Dunham and Obama Sr. both resided in Hawaii for the year immediately preceding Senator Obama's birth. Ergo sum, his birth, even if it occurred in Kenya, could legally be registered in Hawaii, and a Certification of Live Birth could have been issued, giving the uninitiated the impression that he was born in Hawaii when in fact, he was not.

It is misleading when the State of Hawaii states that they have examined Obama's birth record and it is valid. It could very well be the case. The ISSUE however, is whether or not he was born in Hawaii as he claims, or if he was born in Kenya. There is of course, a plausible scenario in which he could've been born in Kenya and yet have his birth recorded in Hawaii as having been born in Hawaii when in fact he was not. It's quite simple actually. His mother could have lied. That's right. Ann Dunham could have given birth in Kenya, brought Obama back with her to the US and then fraudulently registered the birth in Hawaii. Is it likely? Who knows? Is it possible? As Sir Aruthur Coynan Doyle has written: Once you have eliminated what is impossible, whatever remains, however unlikely, is possible.

In this case, anything is possible. And it's so unfortunate that all but one relative on Ms. Dunham's side of the family are deceased. His maternal grandmother, who he conveniently just visited in Hawaii, is the one living relative that could possibly shed light on this subject. A simple question asking her if her daughter went to Kenya prior to Barack's birth would end the speculation, assuming of course, her response is truthful. And therein lies the rub. With so much fraud being perpetrated by the DailyKOS, Stop the Smears, and others, it's difficult to believe anything at this point.

And isn't it oh so convenient that Obama goes to Hawaii on October 23, 2008 and the Hawaiian Department of Health, after his visit to Hawaii, issues the statement that the document they have is legitimate. The wording of their statement leaves a lot to be desired. It's a non answer to a question. Yes, the document is valid. And? Was he born in Hawaii?????? Silence.

The now infamous document posted on Stop the Smears and the DailyKOS, which has been determined to be a forgery by no fewer than three court certified Forensic Document Examiners, was a Certification of Live Birth and NOT a Certificate of Live Birth or Birth Certificate. However, in an effort to obfuscate the issue, the term "Birth Certificate" has been used interchangeably with "Certification of Live Birth".

Assuming that Mr. Obama has a legitimate Certification of Live Birth, the question must be asked: "Why post a forgery?" The answer is as follows:

A: There does not exist a legitimate, authentic birth document for Obama showing birth anywhere in the US.


Steve Marquis

http://peoplespassions.org/Exhibits/...w_Edition1.pdf

Look at page 2. In 2004 he said Queens
citizen of Indonesia.

http://peoplespassions.org/Exhibits/...02008corrA.pdf

Sworn affidavit of his birth in kenya.

I do not believe Obama is in any way honest about this issue. From this point on, I have no reason to believe people defending Obamas contradictory claims are truthfull.

The truth did NOT change in the last 30 days.
http://peoplespassions.org/Exhibits/...ool_Record.pdf

coadie that was outstanding and has the ring of truth , and it settles it in my mind. finally someone who knows where as they say, the bear has done what in the buckwheat

[gloryseeker]

BORN IN THE USA?
News reports: Obama born in Africa
Ghana paper calls Africa 'continent of his birth'
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Posted: July 11, 2009
12:04 am Eastern

© 2009 WorldNetDaily
An African news site and an MSNBC broadcaster have delivered new references to President Obama's birthplace as being outside of the United States, even as a controversy has developed over a letter purporting to be from the president claiming Kapi'olani hospital in Honolulu as his birth
location.

Network correspondent Mara Schiavocampo was reporting on the celebratory atmosphere in Accra, Ghana, immediately prior to Obama's visit to the west African nation today.

Interviewing a person who appeared to be a shop operator, she suggested, "Barack Obama is Kenyan … but Ghanaians are still proud of him."

The video of the report is at this link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619#31856235

Her report talks about the party atmosphere and the Obama fan clubs who has posted "Welcome home" signs. Although this may seem insignificant, it clearly stated an assumption about Obama's heritage that is clearly understood by African citizens and NBC as well," a WND reader said.
Meanwhile, a report at Modern Ghana also posted in advance of the president's visit cited his birthplace on the continent of Africa.

"For Ghana, Obama's visit will be a celebration of another milestone in African history as it hosts the first-ever African-American president on this presidential visit to the continent of his birth," the report said.

[Twisp]

You know, what is funny (and sad) about all of this, is that even if President Obama's longform birth certificate was released, the conspiracy minority would still say it was fake. I mean, there is a legitimate, valid, confirmed copy of his birth certificate in the public domain for everyone to see, and the birthers still find some illogical point to hang their hat on. I would imagine their hatred of President Obama runs deep enough to blind any factual evidence, already released or not.

While it is sad to know there are people out there with that much hatred for him, their posts do make for enjoyable, fictional, reading.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Twisp

You know, what is funny (and sad) about all of this, is that even if President Obama's longform birth certificate was released, the conspiracy minority would still say it was fake. I mean, there is a legitimate, valid, confirmed copy of his birth certificate in the public domain for everyone to see, and the birthers still find some illogical point to hang their hat on. I would imagine their hatred of President Obama runs deep enough to blind any factual evidence, already released or not.

While it is sad to know there are people out there with that much hatred for him, their posts do make for enjoyable, fictional, reading.

It is sad for Obama. He lied about his place of birth. he didn't need to. That gets snopes to lie because they like your self adore the man and are afraid to "verify" his facts.
all we see is a confirmend fake. It is not hospital generated,.

You are twisting and not getting any traction.
People that support the abortion of human babies have no ethical qualms regarding "lighter" ethical matters.

He defrauded his bank with a fake appraisal on his home purchase.the whistle blower was fired.

Dishonest people support dishonest people. Honest whistleblowers get fired.

The anti truthers are still angry. Wish it would go away. Do you respect him for calling his granny in Kenya a liar?

snopes? Pathetic. They posted a lie for how long?

Obama is the same man that said he was for protection of new born infants and lied. He voted it against it 4 times.

His dishonesty gives us no choice but to see them as red rlags.

You are a loyal Obama drone.

We hate lying. You claiming we hate Obama. No Christians hate sin.

Six things the Lord hates; in fact, seven are detestable to Him:



4) Arrogant Eyes
(5) A Lying Tongue which hospital??
(6) Hands That Shed Innocent Blood
(7) A Heart That Plots Wicked Schemes
(1) Feet Eager to Run to Evil
(2) A Lying Witness Who Gives False Testimony Snopes!!
(3) One Who Stirs Up Trouble Among Brothers

Trinity church and Muslims don't resemble my brothers in any way.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by coadie

It is sad for Obama. He lied about his place of birth. he didn't need to. That gets snopes to lie because they like your self adore the man and are afraid to "verify" his facts.
all we see is a confirmend fake. It is not hospital generated,.

You are twisting and not getting any traction.
People that support the abortion of human babies have no ethical qualms regarding "lighter" ethical matters.

He defrauded his bank with a fake appraisal on his home purchase.the whistle blower was fired.

Dishonest people support dishonest people. Honest whistleblowers get fired.

The anti truthers are still angry. Wish it would go away. Do you respect him for calling his granny in Kenya a liar?

snopes? Pathetic. They posted a lie for how long?

Obama is the same man that said he was for protection of new born infants and lied. He voted it against it 4 times.

His dishonesty gives us no choice but to see them as red rlags.

You are a loyal Obama drone.

We hate lying. You claiming we hate Obama. No Christians hate sin.

Six things the Lord hates; in fact, seven are detestable to Him:



4) Arrogant Eyes
(5) A Lying Tongue which hospital??
(6) Hands That Shed Innocent Blood
(7) A Heart That Plots Wicked Schemes
(1) Feet Eager to Run to Evil
(2) A Lying Witness Who Gives False Testimony Snopes!!
(3) One Who Stirs Up Trouble Among Brothers

Trinity church and Muslims don't resemble my brothers in any way.

And again, as with your other multi paragraph posts, can you please provide proof for your accusations? You have not yet, but there is a first time for everything. The fact is that his legal documents were valid enough to get him through an intense presidential campaign, while being the most scrutinized candidate in recent history.

You have no proof. If you did, you would have posted it and convinced me three pages ago. You respond to my numerous and varied sources with hollow words and false statements.

Perhaps you are an alternate screenname for a pro-Obama forum member, trying to get a rise out of people? That would make a lot more sense, although it would take most of the humor out of this.

[oletime]

hey twisp, read post 122, originally posted by a retired dhs agent. it spells it out plain and simple with docs. he is kenyan, he cant be hawiain[sp] because his mother didnt live there for 5 years after her 14th birthday, period. he has certification of live birth, not a certificate of live birth, big difference. he is a fraud plain and simple.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by oletime

hey twisp, read post 122, originally posted by a retired dhs agent. it spells it out plain and simple with docs. he is kenyan, he cant be hawiain[sp] because his mother didnt live there for 5 years after her 14th birthday, period. he has certification of live birth, not a certificate of live birth, big difference. he is a fraud plain and simple.

Lol, so I guess the Civil Rights Act of 1886 declaring that "all persons born in the United States not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed" were citizens of the United States doesn't apply to Obama?

The qualifications you are trying to bring up apply to someone born outside of the United States, which has no bearing on Obama. He was born in the United States. This has been proven by his birth certificate, birth announcements in newspapers, and individuals in Honolulu, along with numerous other facts.

As for his birth certificate, my wife's birth certificate says "Certification of Live Birth" as well. It does not use the phrasing "birth certificate" on it anywhere. She was born in TN. Apparently it is not a big difference.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by oletime

hey twisp, read post 122, originally posted by a retired dhs agent. it spells it out plain and simple with docs. he is kenyan, he cant be hawiain[sp] because his mother didnt live there for 5 years after her 14th birthday, period. he has certification of live birth, not a certificate of live birth, big difference. he is a fraud plain and simple.

Twisp is apparently an Obama drone troll

She was under the age of 18
Dad, barack Obama 1 was a foreignor.

He went to school in Indonesia confirmed as a non citizen.

[coadie]

The now infamous document posted on Stop the Smears and the DailyKOS, which has been determined to be a forgery by no fewer than three court certified Forensic Document Examiners, was a Certification of Live Birth and NOT a Certificate of Live Birth or Birth Certificate. However, in an effort to obfuscate the issue, the term "Birth Certificate" has been used interchangeably with "Certification of Live Birth".

Assuming that Mr. Obama has a legitimate Certification of Live Birth, the question must be asked: "Why post a forgery?" The answer is as follows:

We have Snopes using the second fakes and false claims.

I do understand in this forgery case Obama has a motive.

Most records go into permanant storage from hospitals. Most hospitals back then started using Bell & Howell for micro film renditions of originals.

I repeat the Computer generated fake on line is not an original
Not a hospital original
not a picture from microfilm

Twisp needs to be reminded every 5 posts that the real deal has a hospital name or two and signature to make it be called certified.
Then it must have a raised seal.

The Chicago way. Leave no paper trail.

Obama used and sold narcotics as a youth and needs to have that considered as to his ethics and honesty.

Why post a forgery?
Why defend posting a forgery?

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by coadie

We have Snopes using the second fakes and false claims.

I do understand in this forgery case Obama has a motive.

Most records go into permanant storage from hospitals. Most hospitals back then started using Bell & Howell for micro film renditions of originals.

I repeat the Computer generated fake on line is not an original
Not a hospital original
not a picture from microfilm

Twisp needs to be reminded every 5 posts that the real deal has a hospital name or two and signature to make it be called certified.
Then it must have a raised seal.

The Chicago way. Leave no paper trail.

Obama used and sold narcotics as a youth and needs to have that considered as to his ethics and honesty.

Why post a forgery?
Why defend posting a forgery?

Lol, coadie needs to be reminded every post to provide source links. coadie also needs to be reminded that the signature and an embossed seal is on the back of Obama's birth certificate. Again, coadie could find this information if he cared about accuracy. As he has proven, he does not.

Of course it is not the hospital original. No one is saying it is. It is the one the hospital provided him upon his request.