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Old 03-17-2007, 11:01 PM
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I agree. I see posts defending that story and others similar to it as simply examples of "faith" but I fear the reality is usually what you have indicated.

I have a feeling that these women see their uncut hair as a bargaining chip with God and also as you mentioned a "magicial" tailsman with power within itself.

I think there is a tolerance for this kind of error in the UPC and old time Pentecost because it reinforces the doctrine of uncut hair on women by glamorizing it.
I agree the "tolerance" is there, but I'm trusting that the more conscientious pastors would not let this teaching go uncontested.
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Old 03-17-2007, 10:47 PM
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Rachel got up one morning after the diagnosis was given to them, she took her long, uncut hair down and laid it over her husband's feet. She said, " Lord, I made a covenant with you not to cut my hair. My hair is a veil of protection for me and my family. My hair is my glory and power with the angels. And as I lay my hair before you, uncut in obedience to your Word, I am asking you to heal and protect my husband from this disease that has been diagnosed."







I really don't know what to say...honestly. I just thought I would share.
I don't know the original sender, Nancy Mikesell. This was 'forwarded' to me.
The underlined portion doesn't explicitely say that the uncut hair is what healed her husband. But it sure looks like she's alluding to that in my opinion. You can read it the way you want to. But when I read it, that was the message that I was hearing her say.

So is this also alluding the idea that if a wife cuts her hair, God will not heal her husband?? Because, reading between the lines, that's what I'm seeing. And to that I'd have to say - bunk! I am living the proof of that. God doesn't heal or not heal based on whether or not a woman cuts her hair.
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The underlined portion doesn't explicitely say that the uncut hair is what healed her husband. But it sure looks like she's alluding to that in my opinion. You can read it the way you want to. But when I read it, that was the message that I was hearing her say.

So is this also alluding the idea that if a wife cuts her hair, God will not heal her husband?? Because, reading between the lines, that's what I'm seeing. And to that I'd have to say - bunk! I am living the proof of that. God doesn't heal or not heal based on whether or not a woman cuts her hair.
More than you got the same impression Margie.
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So is this also alluding the idea that if a wife cuts her hair, God will not heal her husband?? Because, reading between the lines, that's what I'm seeing. And to that I'd have to say - bunk! I am living the proof of that. God doesn't heal or not heal based on whether or not a woman cuts her hair.
Please don't go there, Margie. This kind of assuming is what led to the witchcraft garbage.
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Please don't go there, Margie. This kind of assuming is what led to the witchcraft garbage.
off topic.. OGIA.. you were a member of prophecy watchers??
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off topic.. OGIA.. you were a member of prophecy watchers??
Yes, I do believe that was the name of it. Like 3 1/2 years ago?
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Yes, I do believe that was the name of it. Like 3 1/2 years ago?
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Please don't go there, Margie. This kind of assuming is what led to the witchcraft garbage.
well, I guess what I'm trying to figure out is why she thought she should lay her hair on her husband to begin with? Is that supposed to merit some kind of special favor from God just because she hasn't cut her hair? The Bible tells us that "by HIS stripes we are healed." PERIOD. That was the reason for those stripes. It makes me sad to even "think" that somebody tries to manipulate God by pointing out to Him how extra-worthy they are of His favor because of their own actions. (I'm not saying that's what she was thinking. I understand you are going to say that I am reading into what she said again. But again, it reads that way to ME. I guess we're all entitled to our opinions)
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well, I guess what I'm trying to figure out is why she thought she should lay her hair on her husband to begin with? Is that supposed to merit some kind of special favor from God just because she hasn't cut her hair? The Bible tells us that "by HIS stripes we are healed." PERIOD. That was the reason for those stripes. It makes me sad to even "think" that somebody tries to manipulate God by pointing out to Him how extra-worthy they are of His favor because of their own actions. (I'm not saying that's what she was thinking. I understand you are going to say that I am reading into what she said again. But again, it reads that way to ME. I guess we're all entitled to our opinions)
I said pretty much the same thing in another post. Using our own works to get favor from God isn't Biblical in any way.

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The underlined portion doesn't explicitely say that the uncut hair is what healed her husband. But it sure looks like she's alluding to that in my opinion. You can read it the way you want to. But when I read it, that was the message that I was hearing her say.

So is this also alluding the idea that if a wife cuts her hair, God will not heal her husband?? Because, reading between the lines, that's what I'm seeing. And to that I'd have to say - bunk! I am living the proof of that. God doesn't heal or not heal based on whether or not a woman cuts her hair.
MArgie,

You should go to work for US intelligence. You read well what is not written and I am sure your bias does not affect your interpretation of what you read between the lines at all.

It is clear to any 3rd grader that she identified clearly the reason for the spreading of her hair... evidence of her obedience. She then clearly identifies to whom she is praying and from whom she is expecting the miracle.

You and Felicity and Sherri and Renda and all the others have done exactly as Ogia has suggested... you have intentionally misrepresented what is written in order to substantiate and support your uncontrollable desire to justify your position by ridiculing and misrepresenting the position of another.

I love ya'll but you are all way of base in your assessment of this story!
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