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Did the coming of Jesus including the resurrection of the dead occur in 70ad?
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The coming of Jesus and the resurrection of the dead is still future.
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11-21-2018, 06:17 PM
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Re: Did The Second Coming Happen In 70AD?
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The word translated as 'heaven' in 2Kings 2 comes from the Hebrew shamayim (Strong's Concordance Number #H8064). Shamayim, plural of the original language word shameh, means the sky above us
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11-21-2018, 06:17 PM
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Re: Did The Second Coming Happen In 70AD?
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Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen
BTW Mike Elijah did get translated. Any off date you found in the book of Chronicles came from a bad translation or bad records. It happened other times also in the book of Kings and Chronicles also.
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That's interesting, care to explain this to me?
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11-21-2018, 06:20 PM
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Re: Did The Second Coming Happen In 70AD?
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OK 1 point for Mike.
So, what exactly was the purpose for the ride in the chariot in the first place? Today your master will be taken away from you? i mean it all of a sudden makes no sense. But, I'm game, ready for the spoon feeding
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11-21-2018, 06:20 PM
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Re: Did The Second Coming Happen In 70AD?
“no one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven...”
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11-21-2018, 06:20 PM
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Re: Did The Second Coming Happen In 70AD?
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Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen
BTW Mike Elijah did get translated. Any off date you found in the book of Chronicles came from a bad translation or bad records. It happened other times also in the book of Kings and Chronicles also.
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I never said he didn't get translated. I said he was translated into the sky but not into Heaven.
Jesus confirmed this in John 3:13.
And no man has ascended into Heaven except he who came down from Heaven even the son of man which is in Heaven.
If Elijah had showed up in the THRONE ROOM of Heaven Jesus would have known. He was there.
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11-21-2018, 06:22 PM
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Re: Did The Second Coming Happen In 70AD?
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
OK 1 point for Mike.
So, what exactly was the purpose for the ride in the chariot in the first place? Today your master will be taken away from you? i mean it all of a sudden makes no sense. But, I'm game, ready for the spoon feeding 
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I don’t have an answer for you. Quite honestly, I really don’t care to know “why?”
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11-21-2018, 06:24 PM
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Re: Did The Second Coming Happen In 70AD?
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
OK 1 point for Mike.
So, what exactly was the purpose for the ride in the chariot in the first place? Today your master will be taken away from you? i mean it all of a sudden makes no sense. But, I'm game, ready for the spoon feeding 
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I don't think he went up in a chariot, I thought he went up in a tornado? The chariot just made a fly-by?
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11-21-2018, 06:28 PM
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Re: Did The Second Coming Happen In 70AD?
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Originally Posted by Esaias
I don't think he went up in a chariot, I thought he went up in a tornado? The chariot just made a fly-by?
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Yes, he was taken up in a whirlwind, but still what was the reason? Why leave behind the mantel? If he didn't cease, then he retired from being a prophet? But then comes out of retirement to write the letter? Did his student give the mantel back on loan for the epistle to be penned? Still, would like to know.
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11-21-2018, 06:31 PM
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Re: Did The Second Coming Happen In 70AD?
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
The coming of Jesus and resurrection of the dead saints and the catching up of those who remain is my blessed and future hope.
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
You ain't going liar.
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Originally Posted by JamesGlen
Paul said his Hope was for BOTH. BOTH
It’s an event of both.
The resurrection of the just AND THE UNJUST was Paul’s hope.
Respectfully, it seems your hope is NOT the same as Paul’s.
It seems you’re attempting to change the scripture to fit your hope.
What did Paul mean when he said his Hope was also in the resurrection of the unjust ?
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Originally Posted by JamesGlen
Acts 24:15
15 I have hope in God, which they themselves also accept, that there will be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and the unjust.
English grammar isn’t all that complicated here, brother.
Paul’s Hope was in BOTH.
Your hope is not.
Time to re-evaluate your doctrine.
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
OK, I give up. Are you saying that the hope of Israel was that the unjust would have eternal life? Actually what do you believe happens to the resurrected unjust person?
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You are the one basically saying that, because YOU are the one saying that Paul’s hope(of BOTH the just and unjust), was eternal life.
But Paul’s Hope was in exactly what he said it was in,(BOTH) no matter what I think his reason why is. In my opinion, it was in both because it was a fulfillment of Dan. 12:2(u asked for a ot verse), and that resurrection for the good, the bad, and the ugly meant righteous judgement for both. Again, it doesn’t matter what I think, what matters is we don’t attempt to change the scriptures to fit our doctrinal opinions.
You’re trying to send MTD to a devils hell, and you’re the one that has a different hope than the apostle Paul, remember English grammar reads BOTH unjust AND just. But your hope is not the same as his.
If I were you, I would re-evaluate my doctrine before verbally sending someone else to hell, that has the same Hope as Paul, resurrection of BOTH just AND unjust. No matter how much you supposedly “love them, but don’t like them”.
BTW, MTD, u never answered my question, I assume it’s a yes?
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11-21-2018, 06:35 PM
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Re: Did The Second Coming Happen In 70AD?
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
I never said he didn't get translated. I said he was translated into the sky but not into Heaven.
Jesus confirmed this in John 3:13.
And no man has ascended into Heaven except he who came down from Heaven even the son of man which is in Heaven.
If Elijah had showed up in the THRONE ROOM of Heaven Jesus would have known. He was there.
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So hes translated unto the second heaven until the rapture? Where is he at right now?
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