Something I watched today

[Carl]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Jesus said the kingdom of God would be given to a NATION bearing its fruits. So, Jesus seemed to believe in the "myth of a Christian nation".

This is speaking of the Gentiles, rather than a specific ethnic group or groups of people living under the same governmental system in the same geographical location.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Carl

This is speaking of the Gentiles, rather than a specific ethnic group or groups of people living under the same governmental system in the same geographical location.

Close! But he didn't say the kingdom would be given "to the gentiles", he said it would be given to A NATION bearing the fruits thereof. It had belonged to the nation of Judea, but would be given to another nation, which it was. In fact, it was given to many nations, in fulfillment of OT prophecy.

The principle being, a nation can have the kingdom of God given to it... or taken away from it.

[Carl]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Close! But he didn't say the kingdom would be given "to the gentiles", he said it would be given to A NATION bearing the fruits thereof. It had belonged to the nation of Judea, but would be given to another nation, which it was. In fact, it was given to many nations, in fulfillment of OT prophecy.

The principle being, a nation can have the kingdom of God given to it... or taken away from it.

Okay, but if the kingdom exists in an earthly nation is that nation totally Christian? I think that is the point Boyd was trying to make with his book. It is one thing for the kingdom to be given to those of other nations, but another for a nation to be wholly Christian. Has the U.S. ever been a real Christian nation? Brother E you seem to be one of the more pesssemistic members here regarding our country being Christian or ever returning to being Christian, if it ever was.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Carl

Okay, but if the kingdom exists in an earthly nation is that nation totally Christian? I think that is the point Boyd was trying to make with his book. It is one thing for the kingdom to be given to those of other nations, but another for a nation to be wholly Christian. Has the U.S. ever been a real Christian nation? Brother E you seem to be one of the more pesssemistic members here regarding our country being Christian or ever returning to being Christian, if it ever was.

I think we confuse "Christian nation" with regenerated. A Christian nation is a nation populated primarily by Christians, and who's government is primarily governed by openly Christian principles.

In that sense, America was a Christian nation, but officially repudiated Christ as King with the ratification of the Constitution. Ever since then, the federal antiChristian movement has slowly but surely been removing Christianity from civic life, replacing it with godless humanism.

There is a reason the Constitution includes a ban on "religious tests", and it isn't because of "Freeeeedumb!" It was to ensure atheists and Deists could run the country. That "freedom from God" has been extended to the states over time.

Although we are still de jure a Christian nation, we are de facto thoroughly heathenised.

It's all coming to a head, sooner or later. Hopefully with a decent outcome.