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Old 10-16-2013, 06:30 PM
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Re: Unitarians who worship Jesus as God

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What do you call a doctrine that teaches that God ADDED the man Christ Jesus to his own being, adding humanity to his deity?
Hypostatic union, which most Oneness and Trinitarian believers adhere to.

Definition of chalcedon, essentially - God added to himself a complete human nature, fully human, a complete human being - yet in such a way as not to create two persons, rather one person subsisting in two natures.

If by 'added the man' he means God (one person) added another person - albeit human - then he seems to be 'Nestorian' - the idea that God added a complete human nature person and all to himself, thus two persons in one Christ.

Personally, I think most of these disputes are the result of excess philosophical baggage from the Nicene era. We box ourselves into a paradigm and then have to explain things and we wind up sounding like a bunch of ignorant bishops glorying in our 'theological exactness' while missing the whole point.

Seems to me the bible is pretty clear - God is one, and God was manifested in the flesh, became flesh - ie human. And 'without controversy' this is a 'great mystery'. The man Jesus Christ is our 'great God and savior.'
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Re: Unitarians who worship Jesus as God

I've seen two definitions of incarnation, incarnate, incarnated, etc.

I've seen the "become/became flesh" view (usually based off of John 1:1, 14), but I've also seen the "located within flesh" view (usually based off of John 14:9, 2 Corinthians 5:17), but not actually flesh, i.e. the same way your soul is incarnated but not actually flesh.

Personally, I tend to lean toward the second view when I think of the word.
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Re: Unitarians who worship Jesus as God

Esaias said,

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Personally, I think most of these disputes are the result of excess philosophical baggage from the Nicene era. We box ourselves into a paradigm and then have to explain things and we wind up sounding like a bunch of ignorant bishops glorying in our 'theological exactness' while missing the whole point.
Here, here! I like this.
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Re: Unitarians who worship Jesus as God

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Seems to me the bible is pretty clear - God is one, and God was manifested in the flesh, became flesh - ie human. And 'without controversy' this is a 'great mystery'. The man Jesus Christ is our 'great God and savior.'
If the bible was pretty clear there'd not a plethora of Christian denominations teaching different things but all using the same scripture to prove they're right.
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