Racism on the AFF???

[odooley6985]

How about we get rid of the political talk sub forum? Nothing brings out more non christian attitudes than political discussion

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by odooley6985

How about we get rid of the political talk sub forum? Nothing brings out more non christian attitudes than political discussion

I don't agree with shutting it down, but I do agree that we can become overly passionate about our views as Christians. I feel that if we vote, we also need to engage in the conversation/debate as well. Although, I respect the right of those that wish to vote only.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

With that said, let there be no doubt in anyone's mind that if things were switched around, and it was a few democrats pulling this stunt while a Republican was President, everyone on FOX, and all the self-righteous conservatives that feed at FOX's trough would be just as upset as you are by the GOP idiots in the House that has taken our country hostage, politically speaking.

Jermyn, I realize both you and DM were probably drinking your momma's milk when this happened...

But I remember when Reagan was President. Reagan had a pet project, too. It wasn't healthcare; it was a missile defense system. In the early 80s, he wanted funding for a missile defense system; the Democrats, however, wanted to pass an expensive spending bill for jobs. The deadline passed and the Democrats shut down the government.

What happened?

Did Reagan run around making campaign-type speeches, accusing the Democrats of "holding a gun to the head of the American people?" Did Howard Baker, Ted Stevens, and Robert Michel run to the floor of the Senate/House and call the Democrats "anarchists," or say they were "waging jihad" on Americans? Did Reagan spend his days ignoring the Democrats, telling people he didn't need to negotiate, or giving interviews blaming Democrats for shutting down the government.

NO!

You know what Reagan did? He met with Tip O'neil, shelved his missile program, and Democrats dropped their spending bill. The very next year, Democrats shut down the government again. This time, Reagan and the Democrats compromised; the Dems got a large increase in education spending and Reagan got his missile program funded.

That's how it should work. It is absolutely the role of Congress to shut down the government, if need be. And it should be the role of the President to sit down with both sides and work out a compromise, regardless of his pet projects or personal pride.

Obama could end this in 5 minutes and get a massive bump in polls by doing one thing:

Bring the leaders back to the table, offer a one-year delay on obummercare, but in return Congress will need to approve a CR which will continue to fund the law.

This gives obummercare the funding Obama wants, and it also gives the Republicans a partial win as well.

This is what Reagan and Tip Oneil would have done, and this is what Obama and the Republicans should do.

[n david]

Let's remember, it was the Democrat leader Tip Oneil, in the late 70s, early 80s, who shut down the government TWELVE TIMES!

TWELVE TIMES

Five under Carter, seven under Reagan. Yet you never heard Republicans calling Oneil and the Democrats terrorists, anarchists, or jihadists. Nor did you have Carter or Reagan claiming that Oneil was holding a gun to the head of the American people.

Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Miller and the rest of the Democrats should be ashamed of their despicable rhetoric. Obama's the President -- he should act like one.

[Originalist]

I once theorized that DM is actually a right wing extremist posing as a communist agitator. Well, I was right!! Here is a video of him passing out pro-Castro leaflets with an address of his CIA handler stamped right on the back!!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1F_G5ku7KM

[n david]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

I am not speaking in a derogative manner about differences in race. I am identifying who is actually perpetuating political terrorism in america. everyone knows that southern christian whites make up 90 percent of the republican party. everyone one knows who is perpetuating political terrorism in america. there is nothing racist about stating the truth. you just can't handle the truth because it messes with your little paradigm.

It's offensive to equate terrorism with what the Republicans are doing. You would be just as upset if the Republicans accused obummer of terrorism. If you're not speaking in a derogatory manner against whites, then why even use the word "white." If you really don't mean to talk about differences in race, you shouldn't be using the word. Otherwise, it does become derogatory, bigoted, and racist.

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

stop avoiding the issue PO. the question is, do you support political and economic terrorism to achieve policy goals?

It is NOT terrorism. Stop using the word. You're just as bad as that idiot Democrat Congressman Miller from CA who claimed the Republicans were "waging Jihad" against the American people. Shameful. Despicable.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Am I the only one that remembers Hannity calling everyone who continued to publicly criticize Bush, "un-American" for doing so? If Hannity wasn't such a political hypocrite, he'd say the same things today-- but that is the evil side of politics.

I stopped listening to talk radio in 2005. I don't listen to Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, Levine, or any other talking heads. The problem is it's all political. They, like Congressmen, will praise their party for doing one thing when in power, then when the party is out of power, they'll complain about the Dems doing the very same thing. Of course, it's not just limited to conservatives or Republicans. Right now, the biggest talking head hypocrite is Chris Matthews. He was Tip Oneil's Chief of Staff during the Reagan years....when Oneil and the Dems shut down government SEVEN times! This hypocrite calls Sen. Cruz a terrorist for shutting down the govt, yet served under Oneil, who did it a total of TWELVE times!

So the talking heads of both parties are hypocrites and just political propagandists for their respective parties. All the right wing hosts care about is defeating the left; and all the left wing wants is for the right to lose.

[Light]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

DM, The Democrats and the MSM are using the same terminology they use when referencing Islamic extremists. I hope you don't think we are not ignorant as to their rhetoric. It is simply hate. But I get that as they tried to take God out of their platform at the Democratic Convention. Are you an atheist?

I don't know why you would purposely try to fan the flames of unrest that is already rising up in this country.

And I don't know why you would call Constitutional Conservatives, like myself, terrorists.

The pot calling the kettle black. Aren't you the one just a few weeks ago who ask someone if they were ready and willing to kill Americans if the didn't agree with your right wing agenda?

[Esaias]

This is why I do not 'debate' with communists.

[Light]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I don't agree with shutting it down, but I do agree that we can become overly passionate about our views as Christians. I feel that if we vote, we also need to engage in the conversation/debate as well. Although, I respect the right of those that wish to vote only.

Are you still of the belief that you need to be ready to kill Americans if they don't agree with conservative view pont?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Light

Are you still of the belief that you need to be ready to kill Americans if they don't agree with conservative view pont?

Was I ever of that belief - murder?