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Originally Posted by jfrog
There's not one three stepper who has a problem saying that after someone hears preaching and believes that they are then sealed with the Holy Ghost.
So to those who are already saved three steppers could tell them, "After you heard the message of Jesus and believed in Him you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise." They can say this because to them receiving the Holy Ghost comes after belief. You on the other hand are saying this verse means they had the Holy Ghost after belief but received it at belief. There is a problem with your view. The verse talks about being sealed with the Holy Spirit. Being sealed with it surely is a reference to receiving the Holy Ghost. But people in your view don't receive the Holy Ghost after belief.
In fact, upon further reflection, the verse would have said "when you believed you were sealed with the Holy Ghost" if it meant you received the Holy Ghost at belief.
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Right, but to 3 steppers they believe that the HG comes after belief, but accompanied with tongues, but Ephesians is not talking about tongues. That is what I meaning. People that believe like me believe that tongues are subsequent to salvation, but people that believe like believe that the HG comes with salvation not tongues. As such the one isn't saved as they are hearing the Message they are saved AFTER they hear and accepts it. The HG is not tongues so it is not "thing" that happens that gives you salvation other than your acceptance of His redemptive work. You are sealed by the spirit after you hear the Message because one can't accept it until they hear it all.
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