What is the purpose of Hell?

[DerechHashem]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

First, who on this Forum is going to take the time to try and figure out if what you're saying is true or not? Your "Hebrew and Greek" insight is quite frankly, not only boring, but heartless. You swallow a camel, and strain at a gnat. The weightier matters of the Law fill your explanation, playing musical chairs with Scripture. This depicts to me that God does not love me, and that I will never get close to Him because I can't figure out what you're saying.

You stand head and shoulders above everyone with your Historical gibberish and language barrier, while people are left scratching their heads. Put enough spin on it, and everybody is dizzy. It sounds good, even though it doesn't make sense.

I'll ask you what I've asked countless others; What did people do before people like you came along, Bible thumping everyone out of existence?

For 3500 years man was on this Planet with NO SCRIPTURE! NONE! When Adam was apparently created, God placed no Bible in the Garden. No books. No Hebrew. No Greek. No Hell. No Heaven. NO RELIGION!!! The Garden was a place of relationship with Man, his wife, and God.

And, the Hell of Eternal torture did not appear until after Jesus had been crucified, being written in the 4 Gospels, some say not until 50-100 years AD. There is also great speculation that Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John did not author these books. No author can be found, and historians are concerned because the language of those texts and the education of these books don't link to a fisherman.

Let’s also remember, we didn't have an actual Bible until the 16th Century. That means the Bible was printed and made 400 years ago. And, it took Centuries of printing the Bible to distribute it throughout the Earth. What you do today, was done by only the Pharisees/Leviticus Priesthood who had access to the Torah (First 5 Books of the Bible).

After over 30 years as a Christian/Apostolic, and the first 20 years of my life as a Catholic, my eyes have been opened by experience. People have real questions about the method to our madness. Eternal Hell sounds good to the new convert, zeal boiling from their veins. But as life unfolds, and reality is played out, what we once believed is not only challenged, but found to be a lie in many areas. Prophecies fail. Healings were false. People speaking in tongues were motivated by pressure. Our altar antics depict a loss of our senses. Preachers screaming their message under the anointing of volume. Rolling on the floor in a frenzy, or drunk in the Spirit.

Then the big one; Who’s really saved, and who’s really lost? As I’ve gotten older, great memories fill my mind about my Grandparents. Living in the same home for over 50 years, going through the Great Depression, and loving me as a grandson, these fine people helped raise me. My grandfather taught me how to fish, took me camping, and loved spending time with me. My grandmother was a dynamic woman, faithful to her husband and loyal to her family to the death. They are one reason today, I’m the man that I am.

Nothing fancy here. Nothing hard to explain. Just good people, who shared their life with me as a young boy, and part of my young married life. Yeah, they made mistakes like all of us, but there was no doubt about how they loved life and people, putting something in me that comes only through realationship, not head knowledge.

They died Catholics. I was taught, and told to justify with Scripture, that Catholics are LOST. If God is going to hurl these people into Eternal Hell, none of us stand a chance!

First you attack my written response, I then asked you four questions which you apparently objected to:

Originally Posted by DerechHashem
So you believe all the above is false?

Hades was not a Greek mytholigical God in charge of the Netherworld, Gehenna never existed in the Valley of Hinnom? Tartaroo was never a prison for the lesser Gods in mythology? And Sheol never means "pit, grave, hole, cavern, etc?

Did you answer those four questions? No, you did not.

But you did follow up with alot of berations and attacks.

First, who on this Forum is going to take the time to try and figure out if what you're saying is true or not?

Those who seek truth.

Your "Hebrew and Greek" insight is quite frankly, not only boring, but heartless.

Maybe Hebrew and Greek helps get to the crux of the matter, also I am not the first, nor will I be the last in here to use Hebrew or Greek.

Boring to you yes. Heartless is only your opinion.

You swallow a camel, and strain at a gnat. The weightier matters of the Law fill your explanation, playing musical chairs with Scripture.

Purely conjecture on your part.

This depicts to me that God does not love me, and that I will never get close to Him because I can't figure out what you're saying.

Gods love for you, and his closeness has no bearing on ignorance of what I am communicating. Ignorance = Lack of understanding in a particular area, not to be considered condenscending or or berating.

You stand head and shoulders above everyone with your Historical gibberish and language barrier, while people are left scratching their heads. Put enough spin on it, and everybody is dizzy. It sounds good, even though it doesn't make sense.

Just your opinion of me? Many in here have used the same historical data, while using the Greek as well as the Hebrew, and everyone seems to be dialoguing quite well in here.

I'll ask you what I've asked countless others; What did people do before people like you came along, Bible thumping everyone out of existence?

Seems your enemy is the bible and not me, just my opinion. People prior to me, utilized oracle teachings as well as written, just because many writings have not survived, does not mean they never existed.

For 3500 years man was on this Planet with NO SCRIPTURE! NONE! When Adam was apparently created, God placed no Bible in the Garden. No books. No Hebrew. No Greek. No Hell. No Heaven. NO RELIGION!!! The Garden was a place of relationship with Man, his wife, and God.

Seems Adam and his wife blew it, huh?

And, the Hell of Eternal torture did not appear until after Jesus had been crucified, being written in the 4 Gospels, some say not until 50-100 years AD. There is also great speculation that Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John did not author these books. No author can be found, and historians are concerned because the language of those texts and the education of these books don't link to a fisherman.

No argument here on the concept of Hell, it is a Pagan mytholical teaching, which you seemed to take offense too. And as for Authorship of the Gospels, I am sure that will be fought over for the next 2000 years.

Let’s also remember, we didn't have an actual Bible until the 16th Century. That means the Bible was printed and made 400 years ago. And, it took Centuries of printing the Bible to distribute it throughout the Earth. What you do today, was done by only the Pharisees/Leviticus Priesthood who had access to the Torah (First 5 Books of the Bible).

So anybody who espounds scripture is likened to the Pharisees/Leviticus Priesthood, not any of the the other religious sects of the day? Or are you trying to paint a picture? Pastors, Priests, Saints, Sheperds, Teachers, espound scripture, are they all Pharisees/Leviticus Priests? Or just me?

After over 30 years as a Christian/Apostolic, and the first 20 years of my life as a Catholic, my eyes have been opened by experience. People have real questions about the method to our madness. Eternal Hell sounds good to the new convert, zeal boiling from their veins. But as life unfolds, and reality is played out, what we once believed is not only challenged, but found to be a lie in many areas. Prophecies fail. Healings were false. People speaking in tongues were motivated by pressure. Our altar antics depict a loss of our senses. Preachers screaming their message under the anointing of volume. Rolling on the floor in a frenzy, or drunk in the Spirit.

I hear what your saying, but I am trying to follow the revelance. Or your just giving a personal testomony. Which is good.

But yes there is good and bad in religion.

Then the big one; Who’s really saved, and who’s really lost? As I’ve gotten older, great memories fill my mind about my Grandparents. Living in the same home for over 50 years, going through the Great Depression, and loving me as a grandson, these fine people helped raise me. My grandfather taught me how to fish, took me camping, and loved spending time with me. My grandmother was a dynamic woman, faithful to her husband and loyal to her family to the death. They are one reason today, I’m the man that I am.

Nothing fancy here. Nothing hard to explain. Just good people, who shared their life with me as a young boy, and part of my young married life. Yeah, they made mistakes like all of us, but there was no doubt about how they loved life and people, putting something in me that comes only through realationship, not head knowledge.

Oh but they had knowledge, you just don't see it? Do you? Read what you wrote, they had all the knowledge in the world, they just didn't teach you out of a book. But they had knowledge.

They died Catholics. I was taught, and told to justify with Scripture, that Catholics are LOST. If God is going to hurl these people into Eternal Hell, none of us stand a chance!

Sounds like a personal struggle that you need to deal with, do you have problems they died Catholics or the Catholic Church?

By much of your dialogue it seems or give the impression you yourself was a Catholic for awhile, is that why the issue is with me?