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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
Elder Burk we have had head buttings for years and discussed this subject. I have enjoyed it but since you have decided to make this personal I have no more to say to you. I have attacked your stance-arguments-positions and yes been pointed. However YOU have decided to make it personal so it is over between us.
I will discuss this subject with others but not with you.
I will allow the readers to judge whether I have answered you or not.
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Eld. Epley, this is not personal. I am not against you as a person. This is about doctrine. Elder, you’re not upset today because it is personal. No, I believe you are upset because you are—once again—against the ropes and have no place else to go. My questions simply brought this to light, and because so, you are angry.
Elder, YOU are the one how claimed the word "GENERATION" in
Matthew 24:34 means "RACE." You are angry now because you were repeatedly asked to prove that. You claimed you did answer several times. However, when asked where these posts are found, you could not produce even one. After this became apparent I told you that if you would prove “RACE” is found in
Matthew 24:34 that I would NEVER mention AFP again. Any preacher worth his salt and who believes as you claim would have jumped on that. But what did you do? You again gave no scripture or evidence and instead retreated to saying that the reader would decide whether you answered or not. Elder, that is so pathetic.
The same thing happened with your claim that there were no baptisms in water in the OT. I proved you wrong; you claimed you proved you were correct. I asked you to give the posts where you did this and what did you do? You retreated to saying the reader would decide. How can they see what you’re claiming is biblical Truth if you cannot verify your arguments with Scripture?
Eld. Epley, of course the reader decides. That is what happens as people read these threads. But the issue still is that you are unable to support the very arguments that you use in effort to disprove the validity of AFP. In consequence, instead of disproving AFP, you have instead proven that you have no evidence against it.
As you said, we've been going around about this subject for years. That is why I am not surprised at your current inability to support your arguments, or at your unwillingness to admit as much. Elder, this is not personal. You made the disparaging accusations against what I believe. All I did was prove you wrong. Any preacher worth his salt would have done the same as I. If you take offense to that then you shouldn’t make such remarks.
Elder, you’ve been around for a long time. If you’ll remember, I asked you to please stop talking about eschatology. It has always been very clear to me that you are unable to prove your own beliefs, let alone disprove those of others. Because of this you were making remarks that I knew could hurt you with some Futurist brethren, and tried to warn you as much. Now we are where we are today because you would not heed that advice.
Elder, your own words proved your arguments against AFP to be untrue. This means that your slandering remarks against the men and women who believe AFP are groundless. It also means that the Futurists you belittled for agreeing with my conclusion on the True Israel of God was just as groundless. Elder, I did not need to disprove your arguments. You disproved them all by yourself. All I did was point out that you had no Bible for your statements, and because of that they were merely your opinions.
So now that this has been made known about you, you are angry at me? Elder, anger is a defense emotion that often accompanies guilt. That is why you are angry today. Not because of what I said or did, but because you were caught making accusations and arguments for which you could not provide evidence.
Like I said, this is not personal. I do hope for Jesus’ best for you and your wife.
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