I do not agree the propensity was always in man to sin... not like it is since the fall anyway. Paul said SIN DWELLED IN HIM. That could not be said about Adam before the fall. As i said, sin is a moral force in that context. Adam never had it before the fall. What the forbidden fruit put in him, not in his DNA btw, was this sin.
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Originally Posted by ronharvey
I said,"The propensity to disobey was always there, it just had never been challenged till the "don't eat" command came along."
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I still disagree. Adam did not have a propensity to sin, If he did, then all things were not "very good" after creation.
I think some of us are missing
Romans 7's words about sin dwelling in the flesh. Sin dwelling in us is a moral force.
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Sin is the transgression of the Law.
Sin is imputed.
Adam and Eve's eyes were opened after the fact, prior to, they had never disobeyed (esp the be fruitful and multiply command).
Their conscience was struck and they became aware of their wrong.
The command not to eat was to Adam, not Eve (She had not been made yet). This is why, not until Adam transgressed did their eyes open.
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So are you saying before the fall it was within Adam to perhaps slay someone as much as it was in Cain after the fall?
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The tree of the Knowledge of good and evil was just that the tree of KNOWLEDGE. The KNOWLEDGE was not in the fruit on the tree, but the fruit (result) of their disobedience. We know they gained the KNOWLEDGE of what disobedience is by the phrase; "And the eyes of them both were opened."
You know the feeling,
1. You realize you goofed and you get the sinking feeling all over your being. 2. You say something hurtful and realize it.
You gain KNOWLEDGE in your ignorance.
The propensity to disobey was always there, it just had not been challenged.
Two Laws;
1. Be fruitful and multiply (A fun command to obey! We can HAVE this!)
2. Don't Eat of the Tree (Not so fun, we CAN'T have this. :-( )
Where there is no Law THERE IS NO SIN.
When all my kids were still home and doing the house ape thing, I could set there and as long as I said nothing to them, they were perfectly in my will.
BUT, the moment I uttered the "Be quite" command, being a house ape was no longer in my will and would have consequences if re enacted.
Where there is no Law THERE IS NO SIN.
BECAUSE
Sin is the transgression of the Law.
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Sin is more than an act of disobedience and transgression of the law. How can acts and transgressions dwell inside people's flesh? How can acts and transgressions use law to slay someone?
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