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Originally Posted by Tithesmeister
Brother Blume,
Could you expound on the meaning of spiritual, as opposed to non-physical? Can you give examples of something being at once spiritual, and physical? I’ve read several times examples of you saying this, but I really don’t understand what you mean. You’ve probably explained this already, and I’ve missed it.
Thanks
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Sure.
First of all, I checked out a Greek scholar's explanation of suffixes, and IKOS is one and INOS is another. PNEUMA is greek for SPIRIT. PSUCHI is Greek for natural or literally soul. PSYCHE is derived from that. So, there are the words PNEUMATINOS or PNEUMATIKOS which serve as adjectives that use those two suffixes for PNEUMA -- much like nature becomes NATURAL and spirit becomes SPIRITUAL. PNEUMATIKSO happens to describe soemthing that is of the SPIRIT in terms of empowerment. PNEUMATINOS is dealing with composite material. So, something PNEUMATINOS would be something non-physical. However, PNEUMATIKOS speaks of something driven by the SPIRIT.
Examples of physical spiritual things...
Same book!
1 Corinthians 10:2-4.. And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; ..(3).. And did all eat the same
spiritual meat; ..(4).. And did all drink the same
spiritual drink: for they drank of that
spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
People ate physical manna, drank physical water and Moses struck a physical rock to shed forth that water. What made them SPIRITUAL is the fact that NATURE could not nor does not supply such things nor work in those ways. Striking a rock to get water is not NATURAL. Something aside from PHYSICS is involved. Water does not come from a struck rock, making the water spiritual. And manna does not appear as it did in the wilderness, making it spiritual food/meat.
These spiritual things were all very much physical. But they were not NATURAL. NATURAL, NOT PHYSICAL, is the contrasting term compared to SPIRITUAL. Natural is PSUCHIKOS, and speaks of things driven and enlivened by NATURE, NATURE in other words, did not cause MANNA to appear, or the water to flow from the rock. SPIRIT power accomplished those things upon very physical things. Hence, they are PNEUMATIKOS.
An ancient writing in Greek spoke of a wind-powered machine and it was called a "SPIRITUAL" or PNEUMATIKOS. WIND is the same as SPIRIT in Greek.
Not only that, but PEOPLE were called spiritual, natural or carnal in
1 Cor 2-3. SAME BOOK AGAIN!
1 Corinthians 2:14-3:1.. But the
natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. ..(15).. But
he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. ..(16).. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. ..(3:1).. And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto
carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
SARKIKOS is carnal and comes from the root word SARX which is flesh.
So, you have spirit, soul and body with adjectives derived from them:
PNEUMATIKOS
PSUCHIKOS
SARKIKOS
And they are not talking about what something is made out of -- composite material. They are talking about what inspires or energizes them.
Spiritual people are not less physical than natural or carnal people. They are all spirit, soul and body beings But the spiritual person is more focused on the things that his spirit relates to, the natural man is more focued on what his soul relates to, and the carnal man's more focused on what his body relates to. BUT THEY ARE ALL just as physical as each other.
So, TJJJ and his ilk actually use the words CARNAL and SPIRITUAL in a way that contradicts themselves! They talk about spiritual people and carnal people, and all the while these peopel are JUST AS PHYSICAL as the other! But when it comes to SPIRITUAL BODIES, they suddenly REDEFINE those terms and think they are speaking about composite material.
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