Islam: A Religion of Lies...

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Well I am glad you recognize that I did not agree with the position of the islamic website. I applaud the honesty here. I do however have a “position”. It’s the same one that’s been said over and over. Jesus pointed to the created order when discussing the issue of marriage/divorce

Actually I directly said your position does not agree with the bible. The references from the Islamic website are way, way back. You just got buried with many, many references from your bible to which you have zero answer. The stammering answers you have supplied are going to get the same treatment as your previous position and I’ll just continue to use your bible to do it. No need for any more outside sources. You are right, in your case? ROFL I cant believe I’m saying this. The bible turns out to be enough.

You are very smart to distract yourself with random, out-of-context Surah from the Quran. I did not reference the Quran however. I referenced the bible, the teachings of Jewish rabbis, and 17th century church law. To which you reply with a giggling set of random passages from the Quran. Can you answer for your position from your bible without your record skipping? You cannot. You cannot because your position has no basis. Hence your distracted ADHD record skipping. Mannnnn - Ima have some fun with you now!

So many misrepresentations!

Yes Jesus was outlining the only cause for divorce among whom? He pointed to the created order, the God ordained plan. That being one man and one woman in a monogamous relationship till death parts them. So easy even a cave man can do understand. Only muslims with an agenda to justify their religious ideology refuse to accept it.

It boils down to a ruling on cause for divorce. That is what was asked, and that is what was answered, and anything else is speculation on your part (well in your case you have built a whole doctrine from it). LOL

The historical and Talmudic quotations are irrelevant. They are often used by Islamic apologists. Apologists who either attempt to make a false moral equivalency, just as you have done multiple times or take them out of context, which you have done multiple times. It would appear that critical thinking skills are not valued among Islamic apologists.

If sin is declared it is my duty to search the Laws of God and determine if any Word, any Law, ever declared it a sin. Islam recognizes the original Laws as having been sent from God. As such I wished to determine if these laws or any decision built from these laws ever concluded a sin. I already know that Christian religious law never declared it so. Though searching through all of God’s law is irrelevant to you, it is not irrelevant to me. As I found no such declaration this is not a false but true moral equivalency. I actually care nothing for what you think about it. You couldn’t even find it.

In the created order there was one man and one woman created in maturity. Also, as mentioned so many times we looked at the text YOU brought up – Rebekah’s betrothal/marriage to Isaac. A quick examination of the TEXT reveals she was a mature young woman as the ESV interpreters reveal. BTW that is not a “subjective application”. It’s called exegesis using hermeneutical principles.

I wondered why you keep using Isaac and Rebekah until I realized that of all the biblical Prophets this is the ONLY marriage arrangement that fits your position. No wonder you won’t even reply to the specifically listed sets of other arrangements that constitute marriage in the bible, thus “biblical” marriage and you keep going back to that one.

Of course you are bringing up an example that came into the discussion after I provided this as an example of how Jewish religious leaders taught about marriage age. Now anything a Jew says that does not agree with your position makes him an “Islamic apologetic”. Man that is some serious irony.

So you are suggesting that Adam (one man) and Eve (one woman) were not created alone?

I am firmly declaring that the creation of Adam and Eve alone has no, zero, relationship with all of the marriage arrangements that were regulated, exampled, accepted, and blessed in the bible and I am declaring that comparing God putting Adam and Eve together to a marriage, any marriage, means that marriage is not to be taken lightly and divorce is not to be taken lightly. Could that be why there are very serious and specific restrictions in the bible on putting preference for one wife over another? Time for my favorite game - "fun with Pliny" LOL

Where have I heard about a rib being taken from Adam? Oh yeah, the Bible! LOL! Muhammad plagiarized the the Bible! Hmmm… One man (Adam) and one woman (Eve) were created. Perhaps you should study your own “holy book” some. It really makes you look foolish.

But then again, maybe it’s not your fault. After all the Quran contradicts itself quite often. Even in the creation account.

Let’s see Surah 11:61 states that “allah” brought humanity from the earth.
Surah 15:26 states humanity was created from dried clay…

Note: Humanity created from dried clay – check. Wait, that’s not what he said here:
Surah 25:54 And it is He Who has created man from water…
Surah 21:30 Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were joined together as one united piece, then We parted them? And We have made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?
Surah 24:45 Allah has created every moving (living) creature from water. Of them there are some that creep on their bellies, and some that walk on two legs…

Note: Hmmm… Dried clay or water? He was as confused as you are! Maybe it would be better to say you are as confused as he was, since he was of an exalted character. Wait! There’s more!

Surah 3:59 Verily, the likeness of Isa (Jesus) before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust…
Surah 30:20 And among His Signs is this, that He created you (Adam) from dust, and then [Hawwa (Eve) from Adam’s rib…]

How silly right? You are truly a beacon of brilliance Pliny, shining your light for the whole world. Of course I’m a dumb simpleton and need a GED though. So I can get promotions and stuff. Took your advice and signed up for a couple classes here and there. Can you believe Biochem was an elective? I could have picked “religious history” or some such useless class.
Turns out, just now, I feel it was useful. Let me step down to “southern corn-pone” level so I can do some teachin’ can you gimme amen?

ANYWAYZ:

Dat dere Bible sez (Gen 2):

7Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.


Science sez:

According to H.H. Mitchell, Journal of Biological Chemistry 158, the brain and heart are composed of 73% water, and the lungs are about 83% water. The skin contains 64% water, muscles and kidneys are 79%, and even the bones are watery: 31%.

Hmmmmmmm…………..You have exposed all of Islam. Mohammed plagiarized that too!

To be IMMEDIATELY filed under “Misc cool aquatic facts”:

Water is of major importance to all living things; in some organisms, up to 90% of their body weight comes from water. Up to 60% of the human adult body is water.

According to Dr. Jeffrey Utz, Neuroscience, pediatrics, Allegheny University, different people have different percentages of their bodies made up of water. Babies have the most, being born at about 78%. By one year of age, that amount drops to about 65%. In adult men, about 60% of their bodies are water. However, fat tissue does not have as much water as lean tissue. In adult women, fat makes up more of the body than men, so they have about 55% of their bodies made of water. Thus:

Babies and kids have more water (as a percentage) than adults.
Women have less water than men (as a percentage).
People with more fatty tissue have less water than people with less fatty tissue (as a percentage).

Mebbe your bible simply left out the water part Ace. Is this critical? Probably means something.

Let’s do some “logication”:

1. bible don’t say nuttin about no water
2. Quran sez dust and water
3. Dust iz “comprises” of elements
4. ALL living things iz “comprises” of elements AND water

THEREFORE I am "conclooding": Quran is plagiarized. Except for the water part. Its accurate, but I sure dunno WHERE that came from. Can't be from the church. Those crackers were still teaching that the earth was the center of the universe.

Could be the bible is only about 20%-40% right? Missed something? I know, LOL, it's a translation error. Where's a greek scholar when he's needed? "queen James" sure was a highly renowned scholar of the greek.

Back to Pliny-smacking.

Please and kindly add this to your Quran lesson about "not bringing 4 independent witnesses to prosecute a woman for adultery gets the accuser a lashing and this is bad for women" as a clear, easily ruled strike 2.

I believe if I were you br’er rabbit I would carefully screen my Quran references. This is wayyyyyyyy more fun than baseball.

TBC. Definitely. LOL