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Originally Posted by mfblume
Romans 11 and the fullness of the Gentiles coming in has been purported by many to mean the rapture must occur before Israel comes in. That makes the raptured church a gentile church, and that smacks against all Ephesians chs. 2-3 taught. It is a church of Jew and Gentile reconciled to God by the cross in one body.
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The church definitely contains both Jews and gentiles. Paul tells us in
Rom 11:7 that the Jews who were elected believed on Jesus while the rest were blinded. Paul tells us again in
Rom 11:7 that
some not all of the natural branches were broken off that the gentiles might be grafted in. So the gentiles were grafted in with believing Jews. However, Paul tells us in
Rom 11:11-12
11I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
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Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
However, those unbelieving Jews according to election will be saved. Their unbelief will be turned away. The unbelief is only there
until the fulness of the gentiles. After the fulness of the gentiles, their unbelief is removed. And so, all Israel shall be saved!
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Originally Posted by mfblume
That has not changed. The same door unsaved Gentiles must enter is the door unsaved Jews must enter. THE CHURCH DOOR OF CHRIST, before the rapture. I do not believe Rom 7:25 is speaking of the rapture, personally. |
Yes, those unbelieving Jews according to election (ref:
Rom 9) shall believe on Jesus Christ when their blindness is taken off.
Rev 7:2 tells us these Jews are sealed with the seal of the Living God. And we know the seal of the Living God is the Holy Ghost (ref:
Eph 1:13). So those Jews whose blindness is removed after the fulness of the gentiles receive the same Holy Ghost (just like the gentiles do) when they come to the Lord Jesus.
This is how I see it as of now
What do you think is the fulness that
Rom 11:25 is speaking of? What do you think the mystery is that Paul talks about in
Rom 11:25?
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