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Old 09-10-2010, 08:08 AM
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Re: Where is the five fold ministry?

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I am amazed how we will take what we have been taught as the final word of God with out taking time to truly look for ourselves. Don't get mad at me I am only saying what I have been telling myself over the past couple of year as I come to see just how much Christians have been duped by the traditions of men. You see we have been told for hundreds of years by the RC that only the priest have the power to understand scripture and interprete it. This has still been passed down to some degree to the ministry today. But I beleive my bible that says "seek out your own salvation with fear and trembling", and "study to show thyselves approved a workman that does not need to be ashamed".

As we have been taught by those in years past and passed down over several generations we see what we have been told. Take a closer look with out taking the verses out of context with the rest of the chapter. Paul in no where making a distinction between apostles, prophets,or pastors. As a matter of fact he does not even mention pastors anywhere but in the one passage of Ephesians 4. This whole chapter is teaching the various spiritual gifts of God.

I am not going to go into more detail as it is not my intent to change your mind. God must do that all I can do is put out there what I see and leave God to prove or disprove what I have said. "truth will prevail". I have not ax to grind. Some times it is fun to argue to sharpen our sword. But there comes a time when we must step back and let Gods spirit do the work. This is where we make the mistake and one of the faults I see in the way our ministerial authority is wrong. We think we must change everyone to fit based on what we see as sin. This puts the ministry between the body and the head, Christ. We don't need two heads, the spirit is well able to function through the gifts God has placed in the body, without the offices we call pastorial.

Think about it this way, If Christ is the head and we are the body, tell me what part of the body do you find the so called authoritive ministry? They are not the head as Christ is the head.
God has already led me to this truth. No church duped me into believing it. You see I SEARCHED just like you! I questioned this faith JUST like you. God led me back to the truth. I've studied just about every major denomination and belief. I didn't start apostolic, I started southern baptist where deacons and church boards rule.

The apostles had a higher office than the rest my friend. Paul even mentions though he were great as he was, he is nothing. Bro if you can't see that there are ministry offices and then there is laity, we are not looking to the same eyes of the Spirit. There has always been a ministry that is accountable for God for our souls. There always will. Don't make your spiritual leader grieve when he has to give an account for you. We must understand we have Christ as our head and then we have spiritual leaders that are NOT HIGHER than us, but are there to LEAD us.

THE OFFICE is what we respect, not the man himself.
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