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Originally Posted by Chan

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There's a specific reason why I use that exact phrase and I would have expected you to know that from the context of where I've used it. I use it because the emotional "frenzy" (wild, reckless emotional abandon) is being induced or (for all intents and purposes) manufactured by MAN through the use of music (volume, speed, etc.) or preaching (volume, style, etc.). It is not the same thing as David's genuine and spontaneous praise when he was returning the Ark to Jerusalem.

The "frenzy" I witness is often in response to what we feel in the Spirit AND OR in response to the uplifting music which inspires people to praise, rejoice or otherwise edify them. And I have witnessed it without the music as well. Having said that, that does not mean that some people are just responding to the music only. David responded to the Ark returning to Jerusalem...he was happy. He was obviously edified and Music was a very important part of their "worship"

In any event, Paul specifically commanded "Let everything be done decently and in order" and this clearly precludes any kind of wild, reckless abandon.

Paul said that in reference to the mis-use of the gifts of the Spirit.

It's a shame the way many Pentecostals attribute their emotional responses to the Spirit of God.

many Pentecostals attribute the emotional responses to what God has done for them recently or feeling the Spirit of God as they are "praising" Him....it's a shame that some people aren't able to experience such joy and emotion, but hardly a reason to criticism them all. Sure...some Pentecostals wrongly attribute emotional response to the direct "moving of the Spirit"....but given the original quote you have no evidence that is the case.

But David wasn't whipped up and he certainly wasn't in an emotional frenzy.

You sure about that? I really disagree

2Sa 6:12 David was told, "The Lord has blessed the family of Obed-Edom and everything he owns because of the ark of God." So David went and joyfully brought the ark of God from the house of Obed-Edom to the City of David.
2Sa 6:13 Those who carried the ark of the Lord took six steps and then David sacrificed an ox and a fatling calf.
2Sa 6:14 Now David, wearing a linen ephod, was dancing with all his strength before the Lord.
2Sa 6:15 David and all Israel were bringing up the ark of the Lord, shouting and blowing trumpets.
2Sa 6:16 As the ark of the Lord entered the City of David, Saul's daughter Michal looked out the window. When she saw King David leaping and dancing before the Lord, she despised him.

His praise was genuine and it was not being induced by someone else through their use of music or preaching (volume, style, etc.).

Wow...can you do that? I mean...sit in a service and look at others and say "that's persons praise is not genuine"? That's a gift I would not want..

God is continuously present IN His people and IN the Church. This notion of God "moving" is nothing more than a means for people to try to justify their wild emotionalism by pawning it off on God. "Let everything be done decently and in order."

If God is continually present...what SHOULD BE our proper response? Why can't we rejoice? Why can't we be exuberant? BTW saying they are pawning off their great joy and rejoicing on God is kind a sickening...like God would never want us to attribute rejoicing and joy to Him? This conversation is leaving a bad taste with me. When David was leaping and dancing...do you think he was stoic and emotionless? And what would He attribute it too? What? He just ate a great meal? I think, based on the scriptures I provided he would "pawn it off on God"....good grief! Don't leap. Don't dance. Don't do this and don't do that....it won't be genuine praise because...well it sounds like because they are Pentecostal...the music is going and they claim the Spirit of the Lord is moving...that's sad.

Having this boldness (more accurately "confidence") does not negate the kind of extreme awe and reverence we are to have toward God.

Nobody said we are NEVER to have extreme awe and reverence....we are talking about the presence of God and you said the presence of God is always here...so do we always act in such a way that is nothing but extreme reverence...no rejoicing..no praising..no testimony...Im having a problem understanding the point you are trying to make Chancellor.

It still doesn't negate the extreme awe and reverence we are to have toward God and, frankly, calling the wild, reckless emotional abandon many Pentecostals engage in "a move of God" or otherwise attributing our emotional expressions to God shows neither awe nor reverence toward God.

Chancellor you are being VERY subjective...what is wild? what is reckless emotional Abandon and what in the original quote you started this all off with qualifies as wild, reckless emotional abandon?

Second, I have yet to see anyone here call THAT "a move of God"...nor did I see anyone say their praise or emotion is a move of God...rather I have seen people say that their heartfelt PRAISE and Rejoicing was a response to the move of God's Spirit.