A question regarding women wearing pants...

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Originally Posted by shamgar1

Actually, the English word modest appears only once in the King James Version of the Bible:

1 Timothy 2:9-10 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with braided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; but (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
The Greek word for apparel in this text is Katastole, meaning a long dress. Kata meaning down - a garment flowing down; and Stole - a long garment, covering or wrapping.

Most Oneness Pentecostals glean their stance regarding women's apparel from Deuteronomy 22:5 and 1 Timothy 2:9-10.

The Greek word for modest is Kosmios, meaning orderly, well-arranged, decent, modest, harmonious arrangement, or adornment. Modesty is also Biblically applied to one's demeanor or behavior. This same Greek word is translated good behavior in 1 Timothy 3:2 in the qualifications of bishops.

Therefore, Oneness Pentecostal sisters are instructed to wear modest long dresses (Kosmios Katastole). They believe this Kosmios Katastole not only specifies that the article of clothing should be a dress, but also specifies that the dress should be of a suitably long length.

twise in the ESV
1Co 12:23 and on those parts of the body that we think less honorable we bestow the greater honor, and our unpresentable parts are treated with greater modesty,
I have a problem with the katastole argument. Here is the reason why. First of all the garment refers to a mantle worn by Kings. Kings were male duh. But even more, the translation seems to be saying "they should dress modestly" and not "they should wear a modest dress"...The definition might better be that whatever clothing they wear it should be modest. Now consider this...most of our women don't wear dresses. They wear skirts with "shirts" or whatever one wants to give as a name for the tops they wear. Can skirts be termed long lowerin garments?

Of course they were to wear a katastole..what other word did they use back then? What word would they use for men back then since men did not wear pants either.

Also the context might play here too, Anyways, here is the ESV
1Ti 2:8 I desire then that in every place the men should pray, lifting holy hands without anger or quarreling;
1Ti 2:9 likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire,
1Ti 2:10 but with what is proper for women who profess godliness--with good works.
1Ti 2:11 Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness.
1Ti 2:12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.

Strongs
katastolē
kat-as-tol-ay'
From G2687; a deposit, that is, (specifically) costume: - apparel.

Thayers
katastolē
Thayer Definition:
1) a lowering, letting down
2) a garment let down, dress, attire
I wish I were at home as I have more tools to look this stuff up

Vincents
Καταστολή N.T.o. Once in lxx, Isa_61:3. Opinions differ as to the meaning. Some apparel, others guise or deportment = κατάστημα demeanour, Tit_2:3. There seems, on the whole, to be no sufficient reason for departing from the rendering of A.V. and Rev. Κοσμίῳ modest, seemly, Pasto. Note the word - play, κοσμεῖν κοσμίῳ.

A.T Robertson
In modest apparel (en katastolēi kosmiōi). Katastolē is a late word (a letting down, katastellō, of demeanour or dress, arrangement of dress). Only here in N.T. Kosmios is old adjective from kosmos and means well-arranged, becoming. W. H. have adverb in margin (kosmiōs).

John Gills
that women adorn themselves in modest apparel: the word rendered "apparel" signifies a long robe, which reaches down to the feet; and the word translated "modest" signifies that which is clean, neat, and decent, yea, beautiful and ornamental; and the sense of the apostle is, that he would not have them to come to public worship in rags, and in dirty and filthy garments, but that their bodies should be covered with clean and decent raiment; so the Israelites washed their clothes that they might be ready to meet the Lord at Mount Sinai, Exo_19:14. The Jews always appeared in their best clothes on the sabbath day; this is one of their rules: (n).
"for the honour of the sabbath, every man must be clothed, כסות נקייה, "with clean or neat apparel" and clothing on the weekday must not be as clothing on the sabbath day; and if a man can make no change, he must let down his talith (or upper garment, his cloak); so that his clothing may not be as the clothing of the weekdays, when that was girt up about him.''

Barnes
In modest apparel - The word here rendered "modest" (κόσμιοςkosmios), properly relates to ornament, or decoration, and means that which is "well-ordered, decorous, becoming." It does not, properly, mean modest in the sense of being opposed to that which is immodest, or which tends to excite improper passions and desires, but that which is becoming or appropriate. The apostle does not positively specify what this would be, but he mentions somethings which are to be excluded from it, and which, in his view, are inconsistent with the true adorning of Christian females - "broidered hair, gold, pearls, costly array." The sense here is, that the apparel of females should be such as becomes them, or is appropriate to them. The word here used (κόσμιοςkosmios), shows that there should be due attention that it may be truly neat, fit, decorous. There is no religion in a negligent mode of apparel, or in inattention to personal appearance - anymore than there is in wearing gold and pearls; and a female may as truly violate the precepts of her religion by neglecting her personal appearance as by excessive attention to it. The true idea here is, that her attention to her appearance should be such that she will be offensive to no class of persons; such as to show that her mind is supremely fixed on higher and more important things, and such as to interfere with no duty which she owes, and no good which she can do, either by spending her time needlessly in personal adorning, or by lavishing that money for dress which might do good to others, or by neglecting the proprieties of her station, and making herself offensive to others.

My question now is, given the context, can this word modest apply to the entire context?