Islam: A Religion of Lies...

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Distaseful is not actually a real word. You are still e-stuttering. Lay off the coffee. I was not talking to you anyway. You have posts way back that were addressed to you but you have chosen to ignore them and have injected unwelcome information of zero value into what was a polite discussion.

And you are still attempting to divert attention away from the fact that your deity, your prophet, and Mohammedans across the globe continue the perverse practice of prepubescent marriage and consummation of that marriage. You admit that it is “distasteful” but continue to defend the practice. What does that say about you?

I have ignored nothing. You simply want to create straw man arguments that are pointless. They are pointless because they have no moral equivalency to what is codified within your religion. Do you believe your prophet is the spokesman for your god? Are his teachings the “word of your god”? Are the cultural traditions and human governments equivalently the same “word of god” for you?
If you believe your prophet is the spokesperson for your deity and that his teachings are considered “divinely inspired” and if you believe human governments and traditions/cultures are not equivalent to your prophets teachings then you acknowledge the fact that there is no moral equivalence.

If, on the other hand, you accept human governments and cultures/traditions are equivalently the “word of your god” then you have relegated your faith to the depravity of mankind.

We both know muslims look to the life and teachings of Muhammad as being directly inspired by their god. It is for this reason that muslim clerics complain whenever anyone suggests that the marriage age should be increased from 9 years old to any older age. They correctly understand that it puts Muhammad in a bad light. What they refuse to acknowledge, as you have demonstrated here, is that he is already seen in a bad light by anyone with common sense.

Truth is unwelcome information to you. ROTFL

Not unexpected at all…

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

While I supplied specific references from the book of Numbers where it was specifically condoned and even commanded I will not accept unrelated passages from you that have nothing to do with those specific commands.

LOL! You apparently know nothing of hermeneutics or exegesis if you think you gave a Biblical passage that condones the perversity of your religion.

Here let’s show the fallacy of your absurd “specific reference”.

(Num 31:7 KJV) And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.
(Num 31:8 KJV) And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword.
(Num 31:9 KJV) And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods.
(Num 31:10 KJV) And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire.
(Num 31:11 KJV) And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts.
(Num 31:12 KJV) And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.


(Num 31:15 KJV) And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
(Num 31:16 KJV) Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.
(Num 31:17 KJV) Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
(Num 31:18 KJV) But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

I have looked and nowhere is there the mentioning of marrying prepubescent girls or consummating that “marriage”. That is called eisegesis. LOL! Congratulations! You have proven that you cannot objectively read a passage without trying to torture the text to make it say what you want. Hint, get rid of your paradigm and stop drinking the Kool Aid of islam.

I was even generous and looked at the Septuagint, looking for your fabrication. Guess what? It’s not there either.
(Num 31:18 Brenton) And as for all the captivity of women, who have not known the lying with man, save ye them alive.

The Biblical marriage is a covenant relationship between one man and one woman. The very fact that it is a “covenant” demands that both parties be mature enough to enter into that covenant. Hence, the reason why there was a contractual writing of divorcement required to break that covenant relationship. A 9 year old does not meet that standard.

You also mention Rebekah and it was shown conclusively that she was a mature young woman when she married Isaac.

The “little one’s” here were taken as captives and later in life, when they reached the age for entering into covenants, they were probably married into Judaism.

Please don’t try to impose upon a Biblical text a perversion that is well known and propagated by islam. It only makes you look foolish and intellectually dishonest.

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

You were actually tasked with providing information that you have failed to provide. Now you are reaching for any unrelated passage you can find to justify applying your personal definition of sin to all of history.

That's pathetic.

You personally stated, publicly, that marriage to a prepubescent girl and consummation of that marriage is “distasteful”. By your own admission the word of God will judge you to be a sinner. That is a question that you have asked and I answered it forthrightly. You don’t like the answer. Too bad, it’s the truth.

Also, I have demonstrated that every time you attempt to use the bible you use it to your own embarrassment. Biblical marriage is a covenant/contract between one man and one woman. That in and of itself demands maturity. Rebekah was a young woman when she was married. In fact you cannot demonstrate, from the Bible, any place or any time in which God condoned the marriage to a prepubescent girl much less the consummation of that marriage.

On the other hand we can go directly to the example of your prophet and his teachings that not only is it condoned but is considered a “blessing”. Now THAT is pathetic. And worse yet, you continue to defend what you say is “distasteful”. It is a sinful act and sinful to you personally to continue to defend such an abhorrent act.

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Your insults minus the information you were tasked to bring back and share mean nothing here. It does not take a whole bible study to answer the very direct and simple questions that have been asked of you. You are right about one thing. I did care, but that was when I thought I would learn something new. Now I do not.

You have proven over and over that you care less about truth. This is demonstrated in your lack of intellectual honesty, when attempting to exegete a passage. Instead you torture the text to read what you want to read. You demonstrate your contempt for truth whenever you try to build straw man arguments that have no moral equivalency, such as trying to equate human governments or various cultures with the example of your prophet and his teachings. They are not the same because human governments and cultures originate from man. Your religion is supposed to originate from a deity somewhere. You have consistently closed your eyes to the truth. The only thing you wanted to do is justify yourself because deep down you know your prophet was a disgusting man and his deity is equally disgusting. Mohammedans that follow his example are equally disgusting.

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

I did not ask for stories of a Shia Ayatollah and I did not ask you about "common sense". You have nothing to teach here except that you are another apostolic who feels qualified to judge in place of God. Yawn. There are many of you. Get back in line. You spoke out of turn.

ROTFL! Now you want to try and make a difference between the sects of islam. LOL! The Mohammedan, Ayatollah, simply followed the example of your prophet and his teachings! Once again you have proven that you cannot be honest when presented with the truth. Khomeini did not establish his marriage to a 10 year old girl with Shia teaching but with the fundamental example and teachings of your prophet. That is also “common sense”. Continue to defend such a wretched act. It only reveals to the world the depravity of islam.

When will you repent?
When will you seek Jesus Christ?
When will see the difference between Jesus Christ and Muhammad?
When will you allow God to change you from being a Mohammedan to a Christian?