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You become free from who you have become, by becoming who you were meant to be. ~Mark from another forum I post on
God did it for us. Out of sheer generosity he put us in right standing with himself. A pure gift. He got us out of the mess we're in and restored us to where he always wanted us to be. And he did it by means of Jesus Christ. ~Romans 3:24 from The Message
34The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!
Ok this is what someone was accusing him of. What he a glutton? No Was he a winebibber? No. does answer change with third accusation?
Why was he being accused of these things?
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You become free from who you have become, by becoming who you were meant to be. ~Mark from another forum I post on
God did it for us. Out of sheer generosity he put us in right standing with himself. A pure gift. He got us out of the mess we're in and restored us to where he always wanted us to be. And he did it by means of Jesus Christ. ~Romans 3:24 from The Message
Maybe because he eat doesn't make him a glutton, because he drank doesn't make hima winebibber, because he was associated with sinners doesn't make him friends???
Besides, sinners didn't hang around long before converted or left.
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Today pull up the little weeds,
The sinful thoughts subdue,
Or they will take the reins themselves
And someday master you. --Anon.
The most deadly sins do not leap upon us, they creep up on us.
There's not much I can say here (legally ), but I think I can say this: those who think they should not associate with gays should not associate with gays.
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Maybe because if some associate with gay people, they are afraid they might be considered gay by association? Or as the old saying goes, you are known by the company you keep.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
KJV
Ah yes, one of the favored passages that gets used to try to beat people
away from those that need their help.
It gets hurled at me periodically by those who say I should not be in
outreach to occultists and perhaps being friendly with them should
stop....
After all, associating with anyone but christians should be forbidden
Luke 10
30 And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.
31 And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
32 And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.
33 But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,
34 And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.
35 And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.
36 Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?
37 And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.
Maybe because he eat doesn't make him a glutton, because he drank doesn't make hima winebibber, because he was associated with sinners doesn't make him friends???
Besides, sinners didn't hang around long before converted or left.
You're right, Mary. I agree. It isn't just the church. But do you think that we should be teaching our children (and adults!) to be DIFFERENT than those others who make fun of people who are not the same as themselves?
Again, I am not saying that we need to become like them. Or agree with them at all. I think it is perfectly acceptable for us to speak with them about their sin - AFTER we have let them know clearly, by our actions, that we are doing that because we love their souls and not because we are judge and jury.
And if we cannot bring ourselves to care enough for their souls to be their friend in order to reach them for the Lord, then the least we should do is to NOT make fun of them and belittle them. It is that kind of behavior on our parts that makes me think, sadly, that we, as well as many many others in the world, have contributed to these young people and their suicide. I really believe that as Christians, we should be above that kind of behavior.
Excellent point. And a lot of gays would be okay with that approach.
), but I think I can say this: those who think they should not associate with gays should not associate with gays. 
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