Perspectives Sounding Social Network Alarms

[Jermyn Davidson]

Well I think it's exactly what the con saints should do.

Just leave their churches.

Yes, cons, leave your church. Migrate. immigrate if you must, just do it lawfully!

Why pray for them (the hopeless of your church), there's no use!

Little Johnny, darling Susie (your little SUnday school students 25 years ago)-- no hope!

They are all hopeless charismatics now and nothing can be done about it!


Besides, if you find another church, you may even know the songs they sing there!

Imagine, going to a church where they sing the old songs you know and love!


I am alll for the great migration of religious folks who don't have enough passion for the people that they should have grown to love in all the years they have known them at their now charismatic bastion of worldliness that used to be their church!


Leave, or fast and pray about the condition of your church and the souls that are seeking salvation at the church you've called home for so long!

Or maybe your god just isn't able to cut the mustard when it comes to the restoration of a church gone hopelessly charismatic!!!!



Good grief!

I almost get the impression that some folks think others who believe the same Gospel as them are on their way to hell just because of stuff that the Bible is not even so dogmatic about!!!!


For the cons who don't believe their god can change things in their church, leave!

If not, you'll become just like them!!!!


RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!


It's obvious you (cons) stopped praying for them a long time ago.

[Jermyn Davidson]

And when you (cons) find another church to take up space in, do more than take up space. Do more than fulfil an office or a role.

GET ON YOUR KNEES AND PRAY FOR YOUR CHURCH, YOUR PASTOR, YOUR LEADERSHIP!

If you don't, you may be the contributing factor to the destruction of the next church you call home.


Yeah, if you're not praying for your church, then you're contributing to the problems.

If you're not praying for your Pastor, don't bother saying amen when he preaches!


I mean, you're a con, look at the church you're leaving! Surely, you're not going to tell me you fast and prayed and God told you to give up on these folks!

You're not telling me that God told you to, "Leave them alone!! My Grace is not enough for them any longer!"


No!

You (cons) leave because you don't have enough passion and maybe even faith to make a difference any more, so you blame others for your unhappiness!

You use spiritual terms to hide behind your laziness and your "set in your ways" selves!


SO LEAVE!!!!!!!!


But when you find your next church home, why not pray for somebody before you decide that these folks aren't holy enough for your liking!!!

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

...
I almost get the impression that some folks think others who believe the same Gospel as them are on their way to hell just because of stuff that the Bible is not even so dogmatic about!!!!
...

'twould seem so
just look at some of the posts here

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Sam

'twould seem so
just look at some of the posts here

Whatever Sam....


Some of the folks who do the most criticizing, "... haven't spoke in tongues since 'Smoky' was a pup."


quotation courtesy of my Pastor,
who happens to pastor a church where the older saints are respected and loved and the younger saints are encouraged to reach their generation using methods that will reach their generation in an atmosphere where this generation will experience the infilling of the Holy Ghost because (in part) the older saints are teaching the younger saints how to pray and worship and seek the face of God.


Imagine that!

A church where everyone finds their place of duty within the local church body where God has called them, instead of waiting for some honorary assignment in a morgue where they will be revered as they rot!!!

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

And when you (cons) find another church to take up space in, do more than take up space. Do more than fulfil an office or a role.

GET ON YOUR KNEES AND PRAY FOR YOUR CHURCH, YOUR PASTOR, YOUR LEADERSHIP!

If you don't, you may be the contributing factor to the destruction of the next church you call home.


Yeah, if you're not praying for your church, then you're contributing to the problems.

If you're not praying for your Pastor, don't bother saying amen when he preaches!


I mean, you're a con, look at the church you're leaving! Surely, you're not going to tell me you fast and prayed and God told you to give up on these folks!

You're not telling me that God told you to, "Leave them alone!! My Grace is not enough for them any longer!"


No!

You (cons) leave because you don't have enough passion and maybe even faith to make a difference any more, so you blame others for your unhappiness!

You use spiritual terms to hide behind your laziness and your "set in your ways" selves!


SO LEAVE!!!!!!!!


But when you find your next church home, why not pray for somebody before you decide that these folks aren't holy enough for your liking!!!Some of the folks who do the most criticizing, "... haven't spoke in tongues since 'Smoky' was a pup."


quotation courtesy of my Pastor,
who happens to pastor a church where the older saints are respected and loved and the younger saints are encouraged to reach their generation using methods that will reach their generation in an atmosphere where this generation will experience the infilling of the Holy Ghost because (in part) the older saints are teaching the younger saints how to pray and worship and seek the face of God.


Imagine that!

A church where everyone finds their place of duty within the local church body where God has called them, instead of waiting for some honorary assignment in a morgue where they will be revered as they rot!!!

Wow, I'm trying to figure out where you're at......Lot's of finger pointing here, and claims that "Your" Church has got it all figured out...So, do you go around with a score card and record who's speaking in tongues and who isn't?

I'm just a little troubled with people being so straightforward, no matter which side of the fence they are on. I've pastored for 14 years and appreciate when people pray for me, but I don't like it when people over-do it. I'm just a man. Please, don't play the card of "Praying for me" until worship is going in the wrong direction.

After 31 years of hearing the demanding, dogmatic preaching that leads people to "All Hail" the man of God, to be quite frank, this has led to a sick relationship between saints and the Pastor.

I beat my chest just like any other sinner who needs God's grace. I don't want to be to harsh, but you make it obvious that you carry a chip on your shoulder. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy. JC

[Hoovie]

I am a wee confused I think.... not sure what is actually Jermyn Davidson's thoughts and what is sarcasm.

[Threads]

"PM and His Verbal Beanesque rhetoric has become predictable, desperate and Chicken Littlelish." It's interesting Dan that if you listen to some of his most recent sermons, he's really on his young people that hang out on FACEBOOK but he makes no mention of his IBC music leader bragging on FACEBOOK that he had front row seats to the final four. Kind of hypocritical if I say so myself.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Sam

The analogy of some who felt that they had to leave the mother church to maintain scriptural purity as Puritans can have a couple of other implications.

1. The mother church has become worldly and standards have plummeted because they now allow advertising on television so the "Puritans" must leave and form the WPF.

2. The mother church has become political, controlling, and cumbered with tradition so the "Puritans" must "emerge" from under all that stuff and cast off their neckties, suit coats, intimidating pulpits, and three-step doctrine.

That's why most churches have installed a revolving door. "Come in!" - "Git out!" - "Come In!" - "Git out!"

I was told to leave one church several times over the years. When I finally did, most of them freaked out. The rest tried to hide the fact that they had told me to leave. Eventually, everybody just sort of shuffled out.

The problem with the "con" churches is that they often practice deception to get people in. Then they vociferously throw the same people out if they don't "line up" within some given period of time.

It is much better to belong to a group where "Jesus saves" then a group where it's said, "We've got to get these new converts cleaned up before camp meeting!"

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Threads

"PM and His Verbal Beanesque rhetoric has become predictable, desperate and Chicken Littlelish." It's interesting Dan that if you listen to some of his most recent sermons, he's really on his young people that hang out on FACEBOOK but he makes no mention of his IBC music leader bragging on FACEBOOK that he had front row seats to the final four. Kind of hypocritical if I say so myself.

You see ... that's my frame of reference ....

I heard his "NOOSPHERE" August 2008 ... message a couple of months ago where he rails on social networking and warns his young people of the "second life" they are living through social networking ... even the notion of avatars, virtual churches .... and false prophets/people with giant egos pouring ideas into the minds of our young people.

He rails on the amount of anti-bible, anti-holiness, anti-righteousness .... infomation that is now readily accessible ... and specifically targets his young people in the message.

http://calvary.wm.llnw.net/a33/exter...309pm-100k.wmv

I think AFF would qualify as part of the NOOSPHERE ... and his wife participates and so does he (Twitter) ...

is it consistent enough to ask him to separate from the NOOSPHERE ... in the spirit of Puritanism ???

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Threads

"PM and His Verbal Beanesque rhetoric has become predictable, desperate and Chicken Littlelish." It's interesting Dan that if you listen to some of his most recent sermons, he's really on his young people that hang out on FACEBOOK but he makes no mention of his IBC music leader bragging on FACEBOOK that he had front row seats to the final four. Kind of hypocritical if I say so myself.

I think PM is correct in NOT hammering anyone who had tickets to a ball game. Well, maybe he should get after any of his saints that had tickets to this past Superbowl - because they obviously didn't pray hard enough!

PM does sound a bit like KH after he was elected. A bit out of character in some respects. In years gone by, PM was never known for being a "standards nazi" in any sense. He was also much more careful in the way he approached matters... IMHO.

In fact, PM and AM both appear to have fallen into the same trap. These guys could have been voices that rallied and unified us. Instead they appear to have deliberately chosen to settle in another camp - the camp of the malcontents and antisocial misfits; always belly achin' about somebody else's knickers being too short. This is totally out of character for these men - at least as I've known them over the past 30 years or so.