TV Works for our church!

[nathan_slatter]

Originally Posted by Theresa

were they church folks? If so, I probably know them

I'm from Jackson

They were. They weren't UPC. Actually they were at first, then they were asked to come pastor a church in Jackson and had to give up their license to do so (if I remember correctly -- it's been a while). The Subers.

[Theresa]

Originally Posted by nathan_slatter

They were. They weren't UPC. Actually they were at first, then they were asked to come pastor a church in Jackson and had to give up their license to do so (if I remember correctly -- it's been a while). The Subers.

yeap, New Life, I think is the name....they pastored after Bro. Cooper left (I'm not sure if anyone was there between the Coopers and the Subers)

I visted that church some before I moved away - it was odd, I felt like a kid in a divorce...yk?

[nathan_slatter]

Originally Posted by Theresa

yeap, New Life, I think is the name....they pastored after Bro. Cooper left (I'm not sure if anyone was there between the Coopers and the Subers)

I visted that church some before I moved away - it was odd, I felt like a kid in a divorce...yk?

Yeah -- I was there once. Not a bit fan of traveling. Miss my uncle a great deal...

[chaotic_resolve]

Originally Posted by OGIA

JTULLOCK, this is what I was talking about when I said the UPCI does not monitor, much less, reprimand, and even much less, pull licenses over disobedience.

Disobedience? If a church is ~not~ affiliated with the UPC, they are ~not~ in disobedience. Any unaffiliated church can, with a majority church board approval, do whatever they jolly well wanna do.

Originally Posted by OGIA

Last I looked, advertising on TV was what all the hubbub was about. It's against the AOF of the UPCI.

I'm not criticizing the act, just the disobedience and the lack of action by the organization. Turning heads..........once again.

Where in the AOF does it say we cannot advertise on television? All I've read is about owning and watch television . . . which if we all were really honest with ourselves, 90% of HQ UPCI Leadership and 99% of us here on the board (including you, dear sir) watch whether it's for 5 minutes or 2 hours. And I'm being conservative in my percentages!

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Example 1: We started running a new ad on the local station and have seen two families filled with the Holy Ghost and baptized as a direct result of this advertising. As they were testifying, both families mentioned seeing our pastor on TV in the months prior and the feeling of urgency that God was leading them into more truth.

You should have seen some of the conservatives look up when these people mentioned that they never knew our church existed until that commercial. The pastor couldn't have set it up better if he tried. I am seeing people that were once very anti-tv starting to change their minds after seeing the great things that are happening.

Example 2: One of the local news anchors has been coming to church regularly and was baptized in Jesus name last Sunday. She recently had our pastor on her morning show and gave a very favorable interview.

Now this is from a 30 sec ad with no fancy editing or production, just our pastor giving a warm invite to our community.

Now, I will say that there was been a spirit of revival and great changes happening in our church. I am not giving the credit to TV, but without it these people would have never even known that our church existed and they can't hear the word preached or experience the atmosphere of praise unless we get them in the door.

Ecclesiastes 11
1Cast thy bread upon the waters: for thou shalt find it after many days.

[CC1]

Obviously deltaguitarbassorgandrumperson is going to a church obsessed by fame and vanity.

The nerve to use a medium that would actually put their church name and pastor in front of people who would otherwise never know of the church!

[COOPER]

2 Corinthians 9
1For as touching the ministering to the saints, it is superfluous for me to write to you:

2For I know the forwardness of your mind, for which I boast of you to them of Macedonia, that Achaia was ready a year ago; and your zeal hath provoked very many.

3Yet have I sent the brethren, lest our boasting of you should be in vain in this behalf; that, as I said, ye may be ready:

4Lest haply if they of Macedonia come with me, and find you unprepared, we (that we say not, ye) should be ashamed in this same confident boasting.

5Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness.

6But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.

7Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

8And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:

9(As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever.

10Now he that ministereth seed to the sower both minister bread for your food, and multiply your seed sown, and increase the fruits of your righteousness

11Being enriched in every thing to all bountifulness, which causeth through us thanksgiving to God.

12For the administration of this service not only supplieth the want of the saints, but is abundant also by many thanksgivings unto God;

13Whiles by the experiment of this ministration they glorify God for your professed subjection unto the gospel of Christ, and for your liberal distribution unto them, and unto all men;
14And by their prayer for you, which long after you for the exceeding grace of God in you.

15Thanks be unto God for his unspeakable gift.

[Tech]

Originally Posted by delta soundman

Preach Man made legalism.

I agree brother Man made legalism does not equal sin.

Gal 1:

8] But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
[9] As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
[10] For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
[11] But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
[12] For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

...I am not giving the credit to TV, but without it these people would have never even known that our church existed and they can't hear the word preached or experience the atmosphere of praise unless we get them in the door.

This is a sad commentary on the local church.
Whatever happened to "Go ye into all the world..."?
Obviously, folks want the easy way out.
NI

[Rico]

Originally Posted by NobodyImportant

This is a sad commentary on the local church.
Whatever happened to "Go ye into all the world..."?
Obviously, folks want the easy way out.
NI

I seriously doubt that coming up with the money to fund advertising is easy, let alone supporting a full blown tv program. Also, how is advertising on tv not going into all the world? Seems to me it's fulfilling that mandate, not skirting it.