Real Life Ghost Story:

[missourimary]

No one said we become robots upon death. But mortal logic and reasoning are not a part of death, because we are no longer mortal.

Also, psychology is the science of the mind, or brain. Sorry, but your brain becomes mush after you die (some sooner maybe). Therefore no psychology.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by missourimary

No one said we become robots upon death. But mortal logic and reasoning are not a part of death, because we are no longer mortal.

Also, psychology is the science of the mind, or brain. Sorry, but your brain becomes mush after you die (some sooner maybe). Therefore no psychology.

If one can think or feel... there's psychology Mary. No need for psychiatry, lol, but there is psychology.

Mortal logic vs. immortal logic? People are people rather dead or alive Mary. Nothing changes accept there isn't a physical body. I have a friend who lost his hand... he swears he can still feel his fingers but they aren't there. It's the same way... we still feel like the same ol' us... we still think like the same ol' us... but we simply just don't have a body.

[Trouvere]

Aquilla,
Where do you think the soul would move on to after you helped it if this conjecture was to be true in the case of an unsaved person?
Would you suggest we help them to hell?
Elaborate on this please.
I know that communication with the dead is considered necromancy.
I wonder in Esther's grandma's case if a spirit that inhabited her mother wanted
her daughters to take it on. The instance being that it was just after the death
of her mother and she that morning had a new step mother. Was this thing
appearing to her so that there would be disunity in the home concerning the
new mom? Its possible.
Just some thoughts.
I come from a very witchcraft oriented culture. Many of my ancestors were
Traiteuse which are cajun faith healers. They feel they must pass their gift on
and find a child in the family to pass the demon on to. My sister was speaking of this
recently. She was passed down one of these from my Grandfather. She said that
she can only pass it down to a male decendant. I told her its a spirit that she
needs deliverance from not a gift to be passed on.
Just some thoughts to consider.

If one of our children were seeing a dead child talking to him in his room. I would pray over him and his room at night while he slept not to frighten him and command it to depart. No telling what the enemy wants to impart to that child's mind being raised in
the home of a true believer. The devil wants our children.

[missourimary]

Aquila, your frined's hand doesn't exist anymore. The phantom pains that he/she feels are not the same as the pains he would feel were he to still have the hand. When his wrist gets close to the stove, he doesn't feel the searing burn in the non existent hand. If you asked him to put his wrist on a board and slammed a hammer down on what would once have been the hand, he feels no pain. Likewise if he runs his wrist just above a cat's fur, he doesn't feel the softness through the nonexistent hand. Scientifically what he experiences are pains associated with twinges in the severed nerve endings, which his brain recognizes as sensations of the hand because the severed nerves once sent feelings from that hand. There is no comparison.

Trouvere, very good post. Your assessment is very accurate.

We used to have house dedications where we would pray for a person's home, and every room, door and window that God keep it and those who lived there. We were taught to pray for our children who might see things at night or sense things, and to plead the blood if we experienced anything like that, as well. Its an old statement but still true: the devil can't cross the blood line!!

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Trouvere

Aquilla,
Where do you think the soul would move on to after you helped it if this conjecture was to be true in the case of an unsaved person?
Would you suggest we help them to hell?
Elaborate on this please.

I believe that if a soul is trapped or lingers on the earthly plane and it should be prayed for as we’d pray for any human being. Death doesn’t make a person any less human. The aim is to aid this soul in being free to move on to the other side so that they might accept and embrace what awaits them, whatever that might be. Our roll is to help them move on, their eternal reward is entirely up to God.

I know that communication with the dead is considered necromancy.

You are correct. I’d warn against attempting to “communicate” with any such spirit. Praying that they be comforted and that the power of God carry them over isn’t communication with the spirit. It’s communication with God regarding this spirit.

I wonder in Esther's grandma's case if a spirit that inhabited her mother wanted
her daughters to take it on. The instance being that it was just after the death
of her mother and she that morning had a new step mother. Was this thing
appearing to her so that there would be disunity in the home concerning the
new mom? Its possible.
Just some thoughts.
I come from a very witchcraft oriented culture. Many of my ancestors were
Traiteuse which are cajun faith healers. They feel they must pass their gift on
and find a child in the family to pass the demon on to. My sister was speaking of this
recently. She was passed down one of these from my Grandfather. She said that
she can only pass it down to a male decendant. I told her its a spirit that she
needs deliverance from not a gift to be passed on.
Just some thoughts to consider.

I wouldn’t rule that out. Certainly each situation should be considered independently with much prayer and spiritual discernment.

If one of our children were seeing a dead child talking to him in his room. I would pray over him and his room at night while he slept not to frighten him and command it to depart. No telling what the enemy wants to impart to that child's mind being raised in the home of a true believer. The devil wants our children.

Amen. I’d pray that God guard my child’s mind from spiritual influences that were not of God. And I’d pray that God remove the spirit from my home, regardless of it’s origin or nature.

[Aquila]

[QUOTE=missourimary;817153]Aquila, your frined's hand doesn't exist anymore. The phantom pains that he/she feels are not the same as the pains he would feel were he to still have the hand. When his wrist gets close to the stove, he doesn't feel the searing burn in the non existent hand. If you asked him to put his wrist on a board and slammed a hammer down on what would once have been the hand, he feels no pain. Likewise if he runs his wrist just above a cat's fur, he doesn't feel the softness through the nonexistent hand. Scientifically what he experiences are pains associated with twinges in the severed nerve endings, which his brain recognizes as sensations of the hand because the severed nerves once sent feelings from that hand. There is no comparison. [/QUOTE

Mary, it’s my understanding that you’re taken aback at the notion that the dead can be troubled, afraid, nostalgic, homesick, shocked, disoriented, or confused. These are all psychological states. Let’s look at the Greek definition for the word for the “soul”,

5590 // quch // psuche // psoo-khay' //

from 5594 ; TDNT - 9:608,1342; n f

AV - soul 58, life 40, mind 3, heart 1, heartily + 1537 1, not tr 2; 105

1) breath
1a) the breath of life
1a1) the vital force which animates the body and shows itself
in breathing
1a1a) of animals
1a1b) of men
1b) life
1c) that in which there is life
1c1) a living being, a living soul
2) the soul
2a) the seat of the feelings, desires, affections, aversions
(our heart, soul etc.)
2b) the (human) soul in so far as it is constituted that by
the right use of the aids offered it by God it can attain
its highest end and secure eternal blessedness, the soul
regarded as a moral being designed for everlasting life
2c) the soul as an essence which differs from the body and is not
dissolved by death (distinguished from other parts of the body)

The word “psuche” is actually the very word from which we get our English word “psyche”. The human “psuche” or “psyche” continues on after death. Psychology is a term meaning the study of the behaviors and effects of the “psyche” or “psuche”, the “soul”. Yes, the human “soul” doesn’t merely have a “psyche” it is man’s “psuche”. Therefore psychology still applies. Why do you not believe that a soul can become confused, afraid, disoriented, or angry after death?

Trouvere, very good post. Your assessment is very accurate.

We used to have house dedications where we would pray for a person's home, and every room, door and window that God keep it and those who lived there. We were taught to pray for our children who might see things at night or sense things, and to plead the blood if we experienced anything like that, as well. Its an old statement but still true: the devil can't cross the blood line!!

Amen.

Our church has done this in the past too. My primary point is that we often relegate that which we don’t understand to being “demonic” or of the “devil”. There was a time when human ailments such as cerebral palsy and other forms of mental illness were regarded as being demonic afflictions. I think that there’s far more going on in the spiritual plane around us than mere textbook “religion” can define or understand. When dealing with the spiritual we encounter ghosts, unclean spirits, demon spirits (devils), familiar spirits, and angels. All these things are quite different and we do well to know what they are and how to deal with them. You don’t go rebuking the spirit of your recently dead grandmother that lingers in the home, she’s been through enough. You pray for her and release her to go over. She’s not an unclean spirit or a demon. She’s a troubled soul that needs to move on into eternity. Now, when dealing with unclean spirits, demon spirits, familiar spirits, etc a rebuke is in order. It takes a degree of spiritual insight and discernment to determine what one is dealing with. So go in guns blazing like everything we deal with is demonic. Little do they know their operating quite sloppily with things of a very deep and spiritual nature.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by missourimary

Aquila, your frined's hand doesn't exist anymore. The phantom pains that he/she feels are not the same as the pains he would feel were he to still have the hand. When his wrist gets close to the stove, he doesn't feel the searing burn in the non existent hand. If you asked him to put his wrist on a board and slammed a hammer down on what would once have been the hand, he feels no pain. Likewise if he runs his wrist just above a cat's fur, he doesn't feel the softness through the nonexistent hand. Scientifically what he experiences are pains associated with twinges in the severed nerve endings, which his brain recognizes as sensations of the hand because the severed nerves once sent feelings from that hand. There is no comparison.

Mary, it’s my understanding that you’re taken aback at the notion that the dead can be troubled, afraid, nostalgic, homesick, shocked, disoriented, or confused. These are all psychological states. Let’s look at the Greek definition for the word for the “soul”,

5590 // quch // psuche // psoo-khay' //

from 5594 ; TDNT - 9:608,1342; n f

AV - soul 58, life 40, mind 3, heart 1, heartily + 1537 1, not tr 2; 105

1) breath
1a) the breath of life
1a1) the vital force which animates the body and shows itself
in breathing
1a1a) of animals
1a1b) of men
1b) life
1c) that in which there is life
1c1) a living being, a living soul
2) the soul
2a) the seat of the feelings, desires, affections, aversions
(our heart, soul etc.)
2b) the (human) soul in so far as it is constituted that by
the right use of the aids offered it by God it can attain
its highest end and secure eternal blessedness, the soul
regarded as a moral being designed for everlasting life
2c) the soul as an essence which differs from the body and is not
dissolved by death (distinguished from other parts of the body)

The word “psuche” is actually the very word from which we get our English word “psyche”. The human “psuche” or “psyche” continues on after death. Psychology is a term meaning the study of the behaviors and effects of the “psyche” or “psuche”, the “soul”. Yes, the human “soul” doesn’t merely have a “psyche” it is man’s “psuche”. Therefore psychology still applies. Why do you not believe that a soul can become confused, afraid, disoriented, or angry after death?

Trouvere, very good post. Your assessment is very accurate.

We used to have house dedications where we would pray for a person's home, and every room, door and window that God keep it and those who lived there. We were taught to pray for our children who might see things at night or sense things, and to plead the blood if we experienced anything like that, as well. Its an old statement but still true: the devil can't cross the blood line!!

Amen.

Our church has done this in the past too. My primary point is that we often relegate that which we don’t understand to being “demonic” or of the “devil”. There was a time when human ailments such as cerebral palsy and other forms of mental illness were regarded as being demonic afflictions. I think that there’s far more going on in the spiritual plane around us than mere textbook “religion” can define or understand. When dealing with the spiritual we encounter ghosts, unclean spirits, demon spirits (devils), familiar spirits, and angels. All these things are quite different and we do well to know what they are and how to deal with them. You don’t go rebuking the spirit of your recently dead grandmother that lingers in the home, she’s been through enough. You pray for her and release her to go over. She’s not an unclean spirit or a demon. She’s a troubled soul that needs to move on into eternity. Now, when dealing with unclean spirits, demon spirits, familiar spirits, etc a rebuke is in order. It takes a degree of spiritual insight and discernment to determine what one is dealing with. Some go in guns blazing like everything we deal with is demonic. Little do they know they're operating quite sloppily with things of a very deep and spiritual nature.

[Trouvere]

Aquilla
I live in an area that is full of old mansions and one of them is advertised as being the most haunted mansion in America. Each year at Halloween they have a seance where
a local group of witches gather to celebrate. I have never been there. There is
a movie out concerning it. I can't exactly remember the name but its about
St. Francisville, La.
I have told my husband many times that our ladies group needs to lunch there in the restaurant and have a big prayer meeting. It would rid the house of devils and cause
a lot of ruckus..lol.
As for helping spirits cross over I cannot see Bible for that.
Please if you can give me a proof text or any instance where the early church
did this. I am open to Bible.
Thanks

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I believe that if a soul is trapped or lingers on the earthly plane and it should be prayed for as we’d pray for any human being. Death doesn’t make a person any less human. The aim is to aid this soul in being free to move on to the other side so that they might accept and embrace what awaits them, whatever that might be. Our roll is to help them move on, their eternal reward is entirely up to God.

C'mon Ghost Whisperer, You look nothing like Jennifer Love Hewitt

http://www.cbs.com/primetime/ghost_whisperer/

[missourimary]

Mary, it’s my understanding that you’re taken aback at the notion that the dead can be troubled, afraid, nostalgic, homesick, shocked, disoriented, or confused... [/QUOTE]

Your understanding is very wrong, Aquila.



Trouvere, again, very good posts. Watch out about that prayer meeting though-that event might end up as a movie sequel!