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Timmy · #21 07-31-2009, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Twisp

It seems, and this is just from reading the article, that he did not want to take her to the doctor to be healed. He seemed to think that they were healed by miracles from Jesus in the Bible, and that is how he thought his daughter would be healed. He said:

Neumann testified he believed praying for the girl was needed because all healing comes from God and he never expected her to die. "If I go to the doctor, I am putting the doctor before God," Neumann said. "I am not believing what he said he would do."

Whereas, the miracle of her being healed might have entailed her going to a doctor, it seems that he did not believe in that process.

Again, just my take from the article.

That would not have been a miracle. That would have been natural (via medication which came from research -- human effort!) processes.

Timmy · #22 07-31-2009, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by KWSS1976

If anything this news just fuels the fire for the "atheist people"

And the deists! Don't forget us!

Twisp · #23 07-31-2009, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Timmy

That would not have been a miracle. That would have been natural (via medication which came from research -- human effort!) processes.

That would be a choice of definition. I fully believe that something done by a doctor, in a hospital or somewhere similar, can be a miracle from God.

KWSS1976 · #24 07-31-2009, 11:35 AM

I just find it funny how he will fill you with the "holyghost"let you have this tripped out speaking in tongues experience and then you ask him for a simple favor only to be let down

RandyWayne · #25 07-31-2009, 03:24 PM

It has been many years since I talked to either of them but I do know them. My dad talked to them several times a week since he usually stopped in their coffee shop.

Plenty of the UPC'ers from that area are defending them. Their daughter has been completely forgotten since it is all about satan and the state persecuting the Neumann's.

Timmy · #26 07-31-2009, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

It has been many years since I talked to either of them but I do know them. My dad talked to them several times a week since he usually stopped in their coffee shop.

Plenty of the UPC'ers from that area are defending them. Their daughter has been completely forgotten since it is all about satan and the state persecuting the Neumann's.

Well, she received her healing in Heaven. Right?

RandyWayne · #27 07-31-2009, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy

Well, she received her healing in Heaven. Right?

Well, in some blog posts the parents have also blamed sin in their daughters life for her sickness..... So maybe not!

KWSS1976 · #28 07-31-2009, 03:29 PM

Randy please tell me you are kidding?

Timmy · #29 07-31-2009, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Well, in some blog posts the parents have also blamed sin in their daughters life for her sickness..... So maybe not!

OK, that does it. I take back all the good things I said about them.

Sigh.

RandyWayne · #30 07-31-2009, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Randy please tell me you are kidding?

Nope. Again, I am some inside info on this since I knew them and know many people who have (and still) talked to them regularly.
Also, they post regularly on various blogs and message boards.

I had to be careful on Facebook since I am friends with several people who are friends with them and had to delete posts concerning this whole fiasco.