Is the Holiness Movement Dead?

[Jack Shephard]

I don't think the Holiness Movement is dead, cause it is in action. But there is a difference in the Holiness Movement and people that follow a "holiness dress code." The leaders of The Ramp out of Alabama are certainly a holiness movement, but most of the OTP's would call them liberal, sinners, or whatever. Holiness is a condition of what is in the heart not so much the condition of what is on the hinnie. I know people in this movement that look holiness on the outside, but the conditon of the heart is certainly not a holiness lifestyle.

[Sister Alvear]

Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

Are Oneness Pentecostals still "holiness" people?

Is the concept of holiness unimportant to us?

Is ole time holiness preaching DOA?

what does DOA stand for?

[deltaguitar]

I think the holiness movement as described is dead. However, there will always be folks trying to add to the word of God.

We see a lot of the same confusion of the holiness movement in the charismatic and pentecostal movements. Folks are always trying to find a newer and easier way to live for God. We will constantly see these fads and trends happen as long as people don't have a strong understanding and hunger for the word of God.

There is a book by Dr. Harry Ironside, Holiness: The False and the True that describes his conversion from the holiness movement and the confusion that he suffered because of the teachings of the movement.

Here is a link to some of his writings.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/BTP/D...e/holiness.htm

[edjen01]

Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

Are Oneness Pentecostals still "holiness" people?

Is the concept of holiness unimportant to us?

Is ole time holiness preaching DOA?

not sure Oneness has anything to do with holiness. I know lots of different groups who profess a level of holiness.

When you say "us"....who are you refering to?

IMHO...I hope that most ole time style of preaching is dead or dying. I don't need to be spat on to feel God...i don't need to be screamed at to hear the truth...i don't care if a preacher can walk on the backs of pews...stand on the pulpit/organ...or make the viens in his forehead pop-out. to much style over substance....even if it is bad style.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

what does DOA stand for?

Dead on arrival?

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

I don't think the Holiness Movement is dead, cause it is in action. But there is a difference in the Holiness Movement and people that follow a "holiness dress code." The leaders of The Ramp out of Alabama are certainly a holiness movement, but most of the OTP's would call them liberal, sinners, or whatever. Holiness is a condition of what is in the heart not so much the condition of what is on the hinnie. I know people in this movement that look holiness on the outside, but the conditon of the heart is certainly not a holiness lifestyle.

When I think of the holiness movement I think of the groups that predate the Azuza street revivals. There are always revivals happening among people who are thirsting after Christ and want to be more like him.

People need to realize that sanctification is also a work of the Holy Spirit. Trying to do the work ourselves will only end in failure and frustration. With the proper faith and trust in Jesus and his dying on the cross as our source of sanctification we allow him to move and work in our life in ways that we don't realize. If we start trying to help him along then our flesh will start to get in the way and we will find ourselves once more heading down the wrong path.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

From Wikipidia

The doctrine of the Conservative Holiness Movement varies slightly from group to group; however, the common thread between them is the belief that the carnal nature (or sin nature, depravity) can be cleansed (eradicated) through faith by the power of the Holy Spirit by one who has received salvation from God through the confession of sin, repentance and faith (See also holiness movement). This belief is also called, "entire sanctification" or a "second work of grace" that enables one to live a life set apart from the world.

The fundamental differences between its denominations and the mainstream (liberal) holiness movement in general are what define it as the Conservative Holiness Movement. These fundamental differences include but are not limited to standards of dress, fashion, and entertainment. In many cases the liberal churches are no longer a reflection of what they once were. Many even question their basic doctrines and beliefs that were once held as fundamental. The Conservative movement strives to remain true to Biblical doctrines and standards.

I don't think the Bible teaches we can "eradicate" the sinful nature but we can try to mortify it through the Spirit. This is the pursuit of inner holiness, the separation from sin and starts with maintaining purity of the heart.

I think we have to maintain an attitude of being a pilgrim in the world. This world is not my home. We can use the things of this world but not hold dearly to these things for our conversation is above. As for "worldly" fashion, dress, and entertainment...we have to go by what is godly in all these things. "What would Jesus do?".

Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

[mizpeh]

Conservative holiness in the article you quoted is what the UPC stands for in the AOF.

I think it is dying because it is being redefined.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Innocuous

Yeah, sounds like he's talking about Wesleyan type holiness.

I have friends who are Bible Methodists, an organization that broke from Wesleyan Methodists in 1968...

They look more like 'us' than 'us', and believe in living separated lives. They lift their hands in worship, and say "Amen" outloud.

My friends are southern gospel singers and musicians, and when I attend their concerts I cannot tell the Pentecostals from Bible Methodists, Wesleyans, and some Nazarenes.

And they consider themselves holiness folk...

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

I think the holiness movement as described is dead. However, there will always be folks trying to add to the word of God.

We see a lot of the same confusion of the holiness movement in the charismatic and pentecostal movements. Folks are always trying to find a newer and easier way to live for God. We will constantly see these fads and trends happen as long as people don't have a strong understanding and hunger for the word of God.

There is a book by Dr. Harry Ironside, Holiness: The False and the True that describes his conversion from the holiness movement and the confusion that he suffered because of the teachings of the movement.

Here is a link to some of his writings.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/BTP/D...e/holiness.htm

Thanks for posting that link.

A short preview:

"Sunshine and Clouds"

"For some weeks after the eventful experience before described, I lived in a dreamily-happy state, rejoicing in my fancied sinlessness. One great idea had possession of my mind; and whether at work or in my leisure hours, I thought of little else than the wonderful event which had taken place. But gradually I began to 'come back to earth,' as it were. I was now employed in a photographic studio, where I associated with people of various tastes and habits, some of whom ridiculed, some tolerated, and others sympathized with, my radical views on things religious. Night after night I attended the meetings, speaking on the street and indoors, and I soon noticed (and doubtless others did too) that a change came over my 'testimonies.' Before, I had always held up Christ, and pointed the lost to Him. Now, almost imperceptibly, my own experience became my theme, and I held up myself as a striking example of consecration and holiness! This was the prevailing characteristic of the brief addresses made by most of the 'advanced' Christians in our company. The youngest in grace magnified Christ. The 'sanctified' magnified themselves. A favorite song will make this more manifest than any words of mine. It is still widely used in Army meetings, and finds a place in their Song or Hymn books. I give only one verse as a specimen:

"Some people I know don't live holy;
They battle with unconquered sin, Not daring to consecrate fully,
Or they full salvation would win.
With malice they have constant trouble, From doubting they long to be free;
With most things about them they grumble; Praise God, this is not so with ME!"

"Will the reader believe me when I say that I sang this wretched doggerel without a thought of the sinful pride to which it was giving expression? I considered it my duty to continually direct attention to 'my experience of full salvation,' as it was called. 'If you don't testify to it, you will lose the blessing,' was accepted as an axiom among us.