Greek Studies??

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by HaShaliach

Sis, you're going to have to help me out here.

הלא - haw-law') (Niphal) to be removed far away, be removed far off

I have looked through all of the Hebrew words in this passage, including each part of the compound words (18 total), and looked through the Apeppo Codex, BHM, BHS, Leningrad Codex, plus several additional "minor" texts, and I can’t find haw-law (הלא) in any Hebrew text for De 22:5.

Was this a test or something? LOLOL

BTW, the Blue Bible Hebrew Lexicon is an edited down version of the Gesenius 1847 edition that Robert published. The majority of the "mising elements" are the extensive single letter dissertations.

Another general note for the forum: Like English translations of the original texts, there are no perfect concordances/lexicons either!

LOL! Leave it to me to mess up a letter (I did have it right the first time I posted in this thread though..lol). It's hawyaw in this verse. Hawlaw..not so much.

It's a compound word with lo right at the beginning. Well, the future tense is. It's lamed aleph-yod heh yod heh. If that helps.

I haven't had any problems or issues with the Gesenius at blueletter. I do use my paper one just cuz it's easier to look at it and the multiple windows I have open at once...vs adding another window (most of the time). But any cross referencing I've done hasn't given me any issues with anything important as far as looking up the lexicon stuff.

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Boy threads like this can be dangerous,because they require thought,I guess we can get someone's permission to think.

I don't generally ask for permission to think.

[A.W. Bowman]

LOLOL

OK, got it. I included that in image #2, "To be, exist, happen, occur, take place, come about, come to pass, to become like one." and in my translation (image 5), noted as "... to exist or come to pass ..."

I'am glad that was not a test - you're hard!

So, I guess we are both on the same page again!

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by HaShaliach

LOLOL

OK, got it. I included that in image #2, "To be, exist, happen, occur, take place, come about, come to pass, to become like one." and in my translation (image 5), noted as "... to exist or come to pass ..."

I'am glad that was not a test - you're hard!

So, I guess we are both on the same page again!

Hee..look at that.

But, wear comes from that word! lol (I'm not risking the case of the wrong letters again..lol)

I've been posting all distracted all day, can you tell? lol

I've been trying to take care of some things and translate this so I could really discuss it...but it hasn't happened yet. Kids ya know? lol

[A.W. Bowman]

Originally Posted by nahkoe

But, wear comes from that word! lol (I'm not risking the case of the wrong letters again..lol)

OK lady - you gat me! I have looked at this from every point of view I can think of. So ------- now show me! LOLOL

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by HaShaliach

OK lady - you gat me! I have looked at this from every point of view I can think of. So ------- now show me! LOLOL

You show me how you have hawyaw as not being translated. I know blueletterbible doesn't have it in there, but my other sources *do*. Blueletter is bad about doing that, IME, and is why I won't use it to set up a study.

Let me look up two words for you.

1961 hawyaw (and keep in mind that this is joined with lo, or a negative particle)
to be, to exist
to be to any one (used of a thing, ie for him as the possessor) to be possessed
to be for anything (ie to serve for or as anything)
to show oneself as such a one
to be about to, to be going to
to be intent upon anything
to be with any one (to be on his side, to take his part)
to become, to be made or done
to exist, to come to pass
to be or come to any one
to be or to fall to any one (as a prey, portion)
to experience the same as

3627 k'ley (and because this is joined to another word..I'm going to look that one up too)

properly whatever is made, completed, or prepared, specially:
utensil, vessel
clothing (ornaments) and here it says k'ley geber, as used in Deut 22:5 to say "men's garments".
a vessel (for sailing)
an implement, a tool
arms, weapons

And this is from the root kalah, #3615

to be completed, finished
to be preapred, made ready
to be accomplished, fulfilled
to be past, gone by
to be consumed, spent
to be wasted, to be destroyed, to perish
to waste, to pine away
to vanish away

And geber, #1397

a man (ok, there's more, but it's a noun..it's man here)

I think this is a case of trying to make it make sense in English and using the word wear because it makes sense with clothing. No big deal, happens all over the place. From what I'm looking at, this isn't going to be an easy verse to translate. But, lo is tied to hawyaw and k'ley is tied to geber. Hawyaw is definitely translated, just poorly. (again...note that I haven't translated this verse...and I've said it doesn't look like an easy one! I have nothing but respect for people who undertook the enormous task of translating the English Bible, and that without computers)

[A.W. Bowman]

Starting out as aninteresting study - of course my effort was entirelay from the old Gesenius Lexicon, and haromized with the JPS Tanakh. That was about a year befoe I discovered the Bluebible edited Gesenius (see above post).At any reate, I think I really need to clairity on the issue we are discussion - I admit I have lost sight of it. Is it that the word "wear" is not part of the Hebrew text? Or is it that the usage is missing in the Gesenius Lexicon for the text quoted?Or, is it something else? Not trying to be "trying", just trying to get clear on what is going on.

Of coursed, I did not use the term "wear" in my translation, but what I considered to more accurate, "put on" or "adorn", take upon herself to use. See image #5.

It has been a long day - and I need some help here.

Then, I am also willing to wait for your translation and commentary.

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by HaShaliach

Starting out as aninteresting study - of course my effort was entirelay from the old Gesenius Lexicon, and haromized with the JPS Tanakh. That was about a year befoe I discovered the Bluebible edited Gesenius (see above post).At any reate, I think I really need to clairity on the issue we are discussion - I admit I have lost sight of it. Is it that the word "wear" is not part of the Hebrew text? Or is it that the usage is missing in the Gesenius Lexicon for the text quoted?Or, is it something else? Not trying to be "trying", just trying to get clear on what is going on.

Of coursed, I did not use the term "wear" in my translation, but what I considered to more accurate, "put on" or "adorn", take upon herself to use. See image #5.

It has been a long day - and I need some help here.

Then, I am also willing to wait for your translation and commentary.

LOL! I think it all started from posts 12 and 15.

But I think it's pretty much cleared up by now. Maybe?

[A.W. Bowman]

Then, it was a great non-exercise. I would still liek to see your translation and commentary if you are up to doing it (time, enegry, etc.), and kids not withstanding! LOLOL.

It really is good to exchange some posts with you.


Thanks.

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by HaShaliach

Then, it was a great non-exercise. I would still liek to see your translation and commentary if you are up to doing it (time, enegry, etc.), and kids not withstanding! LOLOL.

It really is good to exchange some posts with you.


Thanks.

I knew that's what you were going to be getting at.

It is good....I should wander over to your forum again one of these days. How are things going there?