UPC Church host Jason Crabb - Page 2

LaGirl · #11 12-13-2008, 08:33 AM

is he preaching or singing?

Apprehended · #12 12-13-2008, 08:57 AM

I went to their web-site. I looked at their statment of faith, "What We Believe." The statement is truly amazing. Surely they had to think long and hard to devise such a statment. One thing for sure...no one will get upset about it. The statement is quite a WONDER.

OnTheFritz · #13 12-13-2008, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Apprehended

I went to their web-site. I looked at their statment of faith, "What We Believe." The statement is truly amazing. Surely they had to think long and hard to devise such a statment. One thing for sure...no one will get upset about it. The statement is quite a WONDER.

Thanks for the criticism of our statement of faith. Fortunately, we aren't trying to convince other church-goers that we are worthy of their approval. Yes, our statement of faith is simple, because quite frankly, we aren't evangelizing to you. I can assure you that the plan of salvation is strongly preached at our church, but to those who don't know God - we didn't feel the need to get into a 3-step vs 1-step analysis on the website.

Why would we not be trying to upset anyone? Who don't we want to upset? You?

I realize I'm a little touchy about this, but I went round and round with someone else about this months ago, and I'm probably still irritated...

Apprehended · #14 12-13-2008, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DerrickS

Thanks for the criticism of our statement of faith. Fortunately, we aren't trying to convince other church-goers that we are worthy of their approval. Yes, our statement of faith is simple, because quite frankly, we aren't evangelizing to you. I can assure you that the plan of salvation is strongly preached at our church, but to those who don't know God - we didn't feel the need to get into a 3-step vs 1-step analysis on the website.

Why would we not be trying to upset anyone? Who don't we want to upset? You?

I realize I'm a little touchy about this, but I went round and round with someone else about this months ago, and I'm probably still irritated...

I do apologize for irritating you...if that is in fact what I did.

I understand that wisdom is justified of her children and my remarks were not intended to be critical in the least. I would never critisize anyone reaching for their world, who are doing their best as God gives the light to do it and is effective in what they do. "They that are wise shall win souls..."

It is just that I am an old timer who never learned to mince words or how to be politically correct or acceptable. I still use language that others find offensive. I am too old to change and have no interest in trying to change this late in my life.

I've been in churches that use laser lights, CO2 fog and disco balls to win young folks. If it works, that's fine. It's just that I am not up to snuff with this modern way of thinking nor do I care to catch up.

So again, I did not mean to critisize or to irritate you.

MissBrattified · #15 12-13-2008, 12:29 PM

Modernism is fine, as long as one doesn't lose the power in the midst of the production.

Frankly, there is a lot of work required to pull off certain performances, and it doesn't leave a lot of time for true spirituality (on a personal level). Hopefully those who attend such progressive churches and are part of the music/drama departments still make it a top priority.

MissBrattified · #16 12-13-2008, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DerrickS

Thanks for the criticism of our statement of faith. Fortunately, we aren't trying to convince other church-goers that we are worthy of their approval. Yes, our statement of faith is simple, because quite frankly, we aren't evangelizing to you. I can assure you that the plan of salvation is strongly preached at our church, but to those who don't know God - we didn't feel the need to get into a 3-step vs 1-step analysis on the website.

Why would we not be trying to upset anyone? Who don't we want to upset? You?

I realize I'm a little touchy about this, but I went round and round with someone else about this months ago, and I'm probably still irritated...

My personal opinion is that a church should state exactly what it believes in its statement of faith, nothing hidden, nothing diluted. If there is something in the church mantra that the church and/or its leadership is either afraid or embarrassed to admit it believes, then that belief needs to be re-evaluated. JMO

Why have the belief if it isn't worth sharing?

OnTheFritz · #17 12-13-2008, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

My personal opinion is that a church should state exactly what it believes in its statement of faith, nothing hidden, nothing diluted. If there is something in the church mantra that the church and/or its leadership is either afraid or embarrassed to admit it believes, then that belief needs to be re-evaluated. JMO

Why have the belief if it isn't worth sharing?

I appreciate what you're saying, but nothing is hidden or diluted by stating the simple truth. To someone who doesn't know God, we want them to meet God. Period. How to grow as a Christian is to be taught at the church, not in a blurb. JMO.

OnTheFritz · #18 12-13-2008, 02:20 PM

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It is just that I am an old timer who never learned to mince words or how to be politically correct or acceptable. I still use language that others find offensive.

No problem. As I said, I'm probably overly sensitive.

But your quote above doesn't necessarily sound like an open invitation to know God. I am not questioning your approach, as I don't have all the answers. But, I resent the idea that a simple approach is cowardly. We really want people to find our church inviting - why then would I want to use language that they find offensive? Now, if we did not preach the truth, that'd be a different story altogether. We had some greats come through our doors in recent weeks including T.F. Tenney and Anthony Mangun (granted, he's family...), and we had some great moves of God in our services.

It's not about being politically correct or acceptable. Again... to who? Who are we trying to impress or please (other than maybe those on this forum...)? If someone comes to our site, and doesn't like what we have to say, they can move on. No embarrassment to us. I get tired of the argument that unless you are blunt and offensive in your approach, you must be hiding something. Being a poor communicator isn't always a badge of honor.

jeffadams · #19 12-13-2008, 02:40 PM

Would you care to comment on the New Emerging Church and where your Pastor and church stand on that issue? Just curious.

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No problem. As I said, I'm probably overly sensitive.

Cindy · #20 12-13-2008, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DerrickS

No problem. As I said, I'm probably overly sensitive.

But your quote above doesn't necessarily sound like an open invitation to know God. I am not questioning your approach, as I don't have all the answers. But, I resent the idea that a simple approach is cowardly. We really want people to find our church inviting - why then would I want to use language that they find offensive? Now, if we did not preach the truth, that'd be a different story altogether. We had some greats come through our doors in recent weeks including T.F. Tenney and Anthony Mangun (granted, he's family...), and we had some great moves of God in our services.

It's not about being politically correct or acceptable. Again... to who? Who are we trying to impress or please (other than maybe those on this forum...)? If someone comes to our site, and doesn't like what we have to say, they can move on. No embarrassment to us. I get tired of the argument that unless you are blunt and offensive in your approach, you must be hiding something. Being a poor communicator isn't always a badge of honor.

The gospel sometimes offends, as does the truth. But we should all be trying to please God, not men.