Apostolic Feminists

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Barb

Rhonda, do you seriously believe this...that the women Felicity knew then and now are deceivers?!

The heart is deceitful above all things...and who can know it. I truly believe that Felicity believes it just like she states only I don't buy it. My reality is not even close...

[Barb]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Absolutely! Just because you don't and I don't doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Your post made it sound like you thought it was just unheard of. I'm afraid it's the norm (especially in the world), but no doubt in my mind in the church too!

Perhaps in her world or experience it was unheard of...we all keep going around the same mountain when it comes down to our experience in this area.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Barb

Rhonda, do you seriously believe this...that the women Felicity knew then and now are deceivers?!

What I think is if the women around Felicity knows she feels the way she has posted in that post, do you really think they would tell her what they do?

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Felicity

You think? Which part of what I said do you have a problem with Rhonda?

Originally Posted by Rhoni

Felicity,

The truth is that I don't believe a word of it. Women and sometimes men use their sexuality or sex in general to manipulate and control their spouses since the beginning of time. Do I think it scriptural...NO, but a reality yes.

From the first time he wanted it and she didn't and gave in because it was easier. From the first time a woman faked the 'O' to make her man feel important so that there would be peace in her home and she could get what she wanted from her man.

Women in and out of the church use their sexuality to get what they want, whether a job, a husband, a decision in their favor, ect...

I believe you have done it, I know I have done it, and I think most on this forum have done it some time or another...

It's the truth anyhow!

Blessings, Rhoni

Oh my word Rhonda. I can't believe you said that.

When I want a favour from my boss, I do not manipulate in any way. I simply show him respect and honour, do my best to please him in my work and then ASK him for what I want. It works!

I have never acted in any kind of sexually suggestive manner or used femininity as any kind of leverage.

Don't judge me based on what you do or don't do.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Absolutely! Just because you don't and I don't doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Your post made it sound like you thought it was just unheard of. I'm afraid it's the norm (especially in the world), but no doubt in my mind in the church too!

This is the world I live in...

Great Post Renda

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

The heart is deceitful above all things...and who can know it. I truly believe that Felicity believes it just like she states only I don't buy it. My reality is not even close...

And your reality is...?!

Originally Posted by Felicity

You really think?

Some of these were people I spent a LOT of time with. We went to conferences and meetings together - on vacations together. We knew each other pretty well.

You could be right though, but I still prefer to believe unlike many of you here that most women don't act this way. I'm talking about purposeful intentional manipulation using their femininity or sexuality as a means of leverage or bargaining chip or tool to get what they want.

Some things are private, no matter how good of friends you may be. A few years back I was shocked when a close friend of mine told me her husband was sexually abusing her and the games he wanted to play, these were church folks.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

What I think is if the women around Felicity knows she feels the way she has posted in that post, do you really think they would tell her what they do?

Why would they know I feel this way? I've never discussed this topic with any of those women. It never came up. There was no reason for it to.

You all are funny. I don't mean that as a put down but sincerely just find it really disconcerting that you're doing your best to discredit my perspective on all this. I'm just talking honestly.

I'm not young but you all are making me feel awfully unsophisticated and naive. Ah well. So be it.

[Newman]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Come and visit. You'll find out what world I live in and you'll see it's just like I talk about it being.

Felicity-

Even if this were true*; what has it got to do with what 15 year old girls (living in Texas in our sex-crazed media-saturated society) need to learn about?

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Why would they know I feel this way? I've never discussed this topic with any of those women. It never came up. There was no reason for it to.

You all are funny. I don't mean that as a put down but sincerely just find it really disconcerting that you're doing your best to discredit my perspective on all this. I'm just talking honestly.

I'm not young but you all are making me feel awfully unsophisticated and naive. Ah well. So be it.

Felicity, you need to go back and READ your own post.

I think all we are saying is you are saying you are so naive to all this and we can't buy that. Just because you don't do it youself doesn't mean you can't admit that it is done and you've pretty well said you just can't believe most women would do this.

They do. Men even know they do.

Thank goodness you don't do it, but all we are trying to say is out of the list of people you listed you've said that you don't know anyone that does.

I wish the hairspray thread was available because I believe I remember you posting something about getting your way with TB by doing something. I remember it so well because I was suprised that you would have posted it.