Apostolic Feminists

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Was Paul inspired to write it???????????????????

He said I As in Him,,,, ...was every thing he wrote under an Insperation of thus sayeth the Lord??

And these are letters. Every passing word or though of Paul was not God.

Or do used as a doctrine to put down women.

Women were looked upon differntly back then.

Paul or one them Writers wrote about slaves and submitting to masters, do we teach its ok to have a slaves?

God did not say, "Now Paul Write these things to The church!"

[Truly Blessed]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Okay.... So technically speaking, a woman can be a prophet, but strictly in the prophesying role and no other...got it!!!

A woman can be anything God wants her to be. She can be a Queen, or she can be a Lydia, seller of purple, "...whose heart God opened..." and served as a hostess to Paul and Silas.

According to Galatians 3:28, "...there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

Even Paul spoke things that were inspired of God that he himself hadn't yet embraced because of the cultural traditions of his day. Surely in 2007 we've moved beyond the archaic mindset that women are somehow less qualified than men to serve God in ministry to the Body of Christ.

The only limitations that God has established is that the woman live within the boundaries set by the cultural obligations of her circumstances. In our culture women are granted equal status with men and this needs to be reflected in the church. There is no cultural reason in North America, and therefore, no biblical reason for restricting the freedom of women to function in whatever gifting God may have given them.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

A woman can be anything God wants her to be. She can be a Queen, or she can be a Lydia, seller of purple, "...whose heart God opened..." and served as a hostess to Paul and Silas.

According to Galatians 3:28, "...there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

Even Paul spoke things that were inspired of God that he himself hadn't yet embraced because of the cultural traditions of his day. Surely in 2007 we've moved beyond the archaic mindset that women are somehow less qualified than men to serve God in ministry to the Body of Christ.

The only limitations that God has established is that the woman live within the boundaries set by the cultural obligations of her circumstances. In our culture women are granted equal status with men and this needs to be reflected in the church. There is no cultural reason in North America, and therefore, no biblical reason for restricting the freedom of women to function in whatever gifting God may have given them.

Good post TB.

[ForeverBlessed]

Originally Posted by revrandy

Maybe like this short clip???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DLeBB-tQgs

Texas District Ladies Conference???

Have you ever noticed we can have pages after pages of people discussing cut or uncut hair and the magic power that the uncut gives women. Of course the doctrine has been taught strongly for years..

But... look at this scripture, it is pretty plain... so what are we doing.. picking and choosing what is culture and what is not?

1 Cor 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

No, I am not against a woman speaking in a church... doesn't anyone else see the inconsistancies?

btw, I don't care for the way this woman is going about speaking/preaching.. she is trying to emulate a man... that disturbs me.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I don't think any Godly lady would want to take authority over a man...

POTD!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I think that secular feminism as it exists now probably can't be combined with Christianity, especially not in totality.

However, using a simplistic definition, I think that men and women are equal in value, and that we are equally important to God, to His kingdom, in the home, in the church, and anywhere else. Where secular feminism and my definition of feminism part ways, is where I believe that God ordained certain roles for men and women, and that we should submit to His will in those areas. Secular feminism submits to no one, to nothing, except itself.

Equal value, however, does not mean equal and interchangeable roles or equal authority. This is where Christian feminism (an oxymoron) goes wrong: it claims that there are equal and interchangeable roles and equal authority. God does not call women to the ministries listed in Ephesians 4:11. That does not make women in any way of lesser value than men (some here will lie about me and claim I'm saying women aren't allowed to do anything at all in the kingdom; they will wickedly bear false witness, showing the evil that is in their hearts, by claiming I hate women or am saying anything MORE than what I have said in this post). God has established a certain order and, in that order, there are men's roles and their are women's roles. Again, that doesn't mean women are somehow less than men because they are prohibited from taking on men's roles. Christian feminists commit treason against God by trying to go against His established order.

Originally Posted by slave4him

This is probably impossible task. That is the problem with discussions like this. I have known of men who were very strong, hard working hands with deep voices who decided they were gay. I also know of men who are very proper, soft spoken, hands that were very delicate looking whom were some very strong men. My adoptive father is one.

I also have met women whom could work right beside men yet they were good mothers and wives. I know women who are very prim and proper who should have never had kids or got married.

When I was in Iraq the women were very hard workers and their hands would make sand paper look smooth. The women did most of the field work. The men for the most part were very sissy acting. Yet they are against homosexual lifestyles way more than Americans.

Effeminacy has nothing to do with homosexuality. There are heterosexual men who are very effeminate (for example, the guy on one of those style shows who bleached his hair blond is heterosexual but very effeminate) and homosexual men who appear very masculine.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

The Deborah argument is pretty compelling ... I think your 1950's mentality of women-like behaviors is evident .... Sir PP ...

if we got in time machine saw how rustic some Pioneer women were even in their Victorian dresses ... you probably would puke.

Do you really think THIS is a compelling argument for erasing the distinctions between male and female roles?

"She sent for Barak son of Abinoam from Kedesh in Naphtali and said to him, 'The LORD, the God of Israel, commands you: "Go, take with you ten thousand men of Naphtali and Zebulun and lead the way to Mount Tabor." I will lure Sisera, the commander of Jabin's army, with his chariots and his troops to the Kishon River and give him into your hands.' Barak said to her, 'If you go with me, I will go; but if you don't go with me, I won't go.' 'Very well,' Deborah said, 'I will go with you. But because of the way you are going about this, the honor will not be yours, for the LORD will hand Sisera over to a woman.' So Deborah went with Barak to Kedesh, where he summoned Zebulun and Naphtali. Ten thousand men followed him, and Deborah also went with him."

Notice that God commanded Barak to go, not Deborah. Notice that 10,000 men followed Barak and not Deborah. Notice the passage says that Deborah went WITH Barak and that Deborah's role would be to lure Sisera into an ambush and not to fight like an army general.

[originalsecretplace]

Yeah...

And a woman drove a spike through Sisera's head and into the ground.

heh heh heh Let that be a lesson to you men who underestimate just how strong stomached a woman can be.

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I don't think any Godly lady would want to take authority over a man...


I agree with this, I have no issues being under my husband headship, nor do I feel belittle by that fact. We each have different roles, does this make I or any other woman of lesser use in Gods eyes? No. The Word tells us in Genesis I 27-28

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created him; male and female he
created them.


God went on to tell them both to rule:

28 God blessed them and said to them, ‘Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea andthe birds of the air and over every living crea ure that moves on the ground.’