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SDG · #61 03-27-2007, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Berkeley

Do you believe that God is going to accept their sacrifices??

Didn't say that they would be. accepted.. will it happen the temple and sacrifices be rebuilt in the future???

Although ....

I find it interesting that Paul made some type of offering ... not sure what kind ....

in Acts 21

26Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.

Scott Hutchinson · #62 03-27-2007, 11:08 PM

Gentlemen I must retire I appreciate you may we all know what we believe and why we believe it.My best to you.

SDG · #63 03-27-2007, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Put it like this,if a temple is to be rebuilt God won't be in animal sacrifices,unless He returns to the OT?His sacrifice is once for all for salvation.

I agree ... but it's not to say they won't try to rebuild it ... with sacrifices being part of it ... and what about the Anti-Christ entering it..???

berkeley · #64 03-28-2007, 12:17 AM

Rom 11:25-26 KJV For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. (26) And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

We read that all Israel shall be saved. But no where do we read this will occur outside the church. And especially after reading Romans 10 - the chapter preceding this - do we understand that verse 26 has to occur IN THE CHURCH alone. In fact, Paul said Israel was only cut off due to the fact that they had unbelief.

Rom 11:20 KJV Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

What did they not believe? The Gospel of the Church! And so if they believe the GOSPEL of the CHURCH, and GET SAVED IN THE CHURCH, they will be saved. Paul said this will occur.

Rom 11:23 KJV And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

But the whole point is not so much whether this already occurred or not, but rather that it will occur THROUGH THE CHURCH and not apart from the church after the church is removed from the earth.

Also, it says through OUR MERCY shall Israel obtain mercy. That means, the same mercy we received in the GOSPEL is how Israel will be saved. Not by something other than the church. The New Testament NEVER SAID Israel can be saved outside the church. Reading both Romans 10 and Romans 11 shows Israel will be saved IN THE CHURCH.

Eze 18:1-4 KJV The word of the LORD came unto me again, saying, (2) What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge? (3) As I live, saith the Lord GOD, ye shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel. (4) Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

No more in Israel could anyone say that someone was judged because an ancestor sinned. Dispensationalists say that Israel is blinded to this day because their ancestors rejected Jesus. That is impossible according to Ezekiel 18. Before Ezekiel 18 sons were judged due to their fathers' sins. But this would be said NO MORE in Israel after Ezekiel 18. So the blindness we read about in Romans 11 cannot apply to today.

Rom 11:25 KJV For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

berkeley · #65 03-28-2007, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Berkeley

Rom 11:25-26 KJV For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. (26) And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

We read that all Israel shall be saved. But no where do we read this will occur outside the church. And especially after reading Romans 10 - the chapter preceding this - do we understand that verse 26 has to occur IN THE CHURCH alone. In fact, Paul said Israel was only cut off due to the fact that they had unbelief.

Rom 11:20 KJV Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

What did they not believe? The Gospel of the Church! And so if they believe the GOSPEL of the CHURCH, and GET SAVED IN THE CHURCH, they will be saved. Paul said this will occur.

Rom 11:23 KJV And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

But the whole point is not so much whether this already occurred or not, but rather that it will occur THROUGH THE CHURCH and not apart from the church after the church is removed from the earth.

Also, it says through OUR MERCY shall Israel obtain mercy. That means, the same mercy we received in the GOSPEL is how Israel will be saved. Not by something other than the church. The New Testament NEVER SAID Israel can be saved outside the church. Reading both Romans 10 and Romans 11 shows Israel will be saved IN THE CHURCH.

Eze 18:1-4 KJV The word of the LORD came unto me again, saying, (2) What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge? (3) As I live, saith the Lord GOD, ye shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel. (4) Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

No more in Israel could anyone say that someone was judged because an ancestor sinned. Dispensationalists say that Israel is blinded to this day because their ancestors rejected Jesus. That is impossible according to Ezekiel 18. Before Ezekiel 18 sons were judged due to their fathers' sins. But this would be said NO MORE in Israel after Ezekiel 18. So the blindness we read about in Romans 11 cannot apply to today.

Rom 11:25 KJV For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

bump for Dan

SDG · #66 03-28-2007, 10:29 AM

I'LL EXAMINE IT SLOWLY ... This one must be digested slowyl

berkeley · #67 03-28-2007, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Berkeley

Rom 11:25-26 KJV For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. (26) And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

We read that all Israel shall be saved. But no where do we read this will occur outside the church. And especially after reading Romans 10 - the chapter preceding this - do we understand that verse 26 has to occur IN THE CHURCH alone. In fact, Paul said Israel was only cut off due to the fact that they had unbelief.

Rom 11:20 KJV Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

What did they not believe? The Gospel of the Church! And so if they believe the GOSPEL of the CHURCH, and GET SAVED IN THE CHURCH, they will be saved. Paul said this will occur.

Rom 11:23 KJV And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

But the whole point is not so much whether this already occurred or not, but rather that it will occur THROUGH THE CHURCH and not apart from the church after the church is removed from the earth.

Also, it says through OUR MERCY shall Israel obtain mercy. That means, the same mercy we received in the GOSPEL is how Israel will be saved. Not by something other than the church. The New Testament NEVER SAID Israel can be saved outside the church. Reading both Romans 10 and Romans 11 shows Israel will be saved IN THE CHURCH.

Eze 18:1-4 KJV The word of the LORD came unto me again, saying, (2) What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge? (3) As I live, saith the Lord GOD, ye shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel. (4) Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

No more in Israel could anyone say that someone was judged because an ancestor sinned. Dispensationalists say that Israel is blinded to this day because their ancestors rejected Jesus. That is impossible according to Ezekiel 18. Before Ezekiel 18 sons were judged due to their fathers' sins. But this would be said NO MORE in Israel after Ezekiel 18. So the blindness we read about in Romans 11 cannot apply to today.

Rom 11:25 KJV For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

berkeley · #68 03-28-2007, 08:15 PM

Dan...

berkeley · #69 03-29-2007, 12:22 AM

I will keep bumping this till Dan posts something!!!

berkeley · #70 03-30-2007, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Berkeley

Rom 11:25-26 KJV For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. (26) And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

We read that all Israel shall be saved. But no where do we read this will occur outside the church. And especially after reading Romans 10 - the chapter preceding this - do we understand that verse 26 has to occur IN THE CHURCH alone. In fact, Paul said Israel was only cut off due to the fact that they had unbelief.

Rom 11:20 KJV Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

What did they not believe? The Gospel of the Church! And so if they believe the GOSPEL of the CHURCH, and GET SAVED IN THE CHURCH, they will be saved. Paul said this will occur.

Rom 11:23 KJV And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

But the whole point is not so much whether this already occurred or not, but rather that it will occur THROUGH THE CHURCH and not apart from the church after the church is removed from the earth.

Also, it says through OUR MERCY shall Israel obtain mercy. That means, the same mercy we received in the GOSPEL is how Israel will be saved. Not by something other than the church. The New Testament NEVER SAID Israel can be saved outside the church. Reading both Romans 10 and Romans 11 shows Israel will be saved IN THE CHURCH.

Eze 18:1-4 KJV The word of the LORD came unto me again, saying, (2) What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge? (3) As I live, saith the Lord GOD, ye shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel. (4) Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

No more in Israel could anyone say that someone was judged because an ancestor sinned. Dispensationalists say that Israel is blinded to this day because their ancestors rejected Jesus. That is impossible according to Ezekiel 18. Before Ezekiel 18 sons were judged due to their fathers' sins. But this would be said NO MORE in Israel after Ezekiel 18. So the blindness we read about in Romans 11 cannot apply to today.

Rom 11:25 KJV For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

DAN .....