Shouldn't our religious persuasion inform our legal and political views?
How can the two be separated?
the goofy thing is, if you are American and muslim or atheist, not only are you expected to have your religious persuasion drive your political view, you are heralded a hero for it.
Only Christians get labled as deviant for doing so. Its just wierd.
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You say they will reap what they sow, and yet you support that? If you believe that those who support the behavior of abortion will reap the judgement of God, why then do you in turn support the government who does this? So that they can reap? Your argument becomes more counterproductive by the minute.
Republicans support Pornography. Does that make you guilty of pornography? Republicans are big tobacco supporters....does that make you guilty of tabacco abuse before God. Republicans support freedom of religion, even heathen religion, does that make you guilty of heathenism? Republicans support civil unions...does that make you guilty of homosexuality if you vote Republican?
Choice puts the moral responsibility on the individual who chooses the wrong. A pregnant woman under a Pro-Choice government has the power to choose life....or choose abortion. If she chooses abortion over life when it's not warranted she alone will answer to God for her choice.
Now...if you vote for the Government to restrict abortion and a woman desperately needs one to save her life and she is denied access to abortion and dies....her blood is indeed on your hands.
I'm saying that ultimately that choice should be left in the hands of individual women. And I advocate that women would approach that choice with responsibility and use that authority for good and not for evil, only choosing abortion if absolutely necessary to preserve her life or health.
It does for me and always has. But there are some who do seperate the two in the argument that you cannot legislate morality.
The idea of being 'neutral' in one's thinking is a myth. We all view life thru a set of presuppositions or a grid by which we measure everything. There are no facts that are not interpreted facts. Every area of life is seen thru our 'sun glasses'.
As far as legislating morality, we do it all the time......don't kill or steal, etc. It all comes down to which morality do we use?
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People still steal, should we repeal laws against breaking and entering?
People still abuse children, should we repeal child endangerment laws?
Your argument is flawed.
Laws decrease the probability of certain behaviors.
All of those situations are different. A woman's life and or health doesn't become a factor. The sovereignty of her own body isn't a factor. The Government cannot police this or properly penalize violators. It's beyond the Government's ability. No court, no matter how conservative, would advocate charging a woman and/or a doctor for murder and execute them over an abortion. Right or wrong, it's not going to happen.
And at the end of the day, the choice is best left up to the individual woman who will personally bare the guilt for choosing if it were unnecessary. The Government is incapable of making decisions like that if a woman's health or life is at stake. I certainly don't trust the Government to make health decisions for people. I do trust that the least the Government can do is ensure that people can make those decisions themselves as individuals.
How can we arrive at any conclusion other than you support murder?
Not trying to be mean-spirited, I just don't understand the logic.
I don't think abortion is "perfectly acceptable". I pray that women choose life. I just don't think that criminalization and Government intrusion in these decisions is the answer. I believe that the power of the Gospel, education, and social services from churches and other private entities can do more to help women choose life.
I am not pro-choice at all , but maybe I can help shed some light on his line of reasoning (to hopefully help put this to bed).
I'm not sure that he is saying that abortion is "perfectly acceptable", just that it should not be legislated.
It is probably pretty similar to the people who do not really like drug abuse, yet don't feel like it should be illegal. The line of reasoning is that the drug laws create more problems than they solve and will never eliminate drug abuse anyway.
I am pro-life, but a lot of that is due to my Biblical morality not my legal or political views.
Thank you for understanding and being fair in the discussion.
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No, I am not going to calm down DT. When I specifically tell someone I think abortion is wrong, and they turn right around and try to tell me I don't think it's wrong, I don't take too kindly to it. Ferd is basically calling me a liar when it is he who is the liar. How much more plainly do I have to put it than "I believe abortion is wrong" for people to see I don't agree with the practice? Just because I don't think I or the government have the right to make that decision for someone else does not mean I think abortion is ok.
If you vote for the man who condones abortion you are as guilty as he.
Shouldn't our religious persuasion inform our legal and political views?
How can the two be separated?
Do you support banning alcohol, tobacco, Playboy, Trinitarian religion, etc.? All can be abused or are abominations in God's sight.
We are a Constitutional Republic...not a Theocracy. Government bureaucrats don't know the first clue about your wife's help or what she might need to save her life or health. The decision, as difficult as it is...as right or wrong as it may be....is best left in the hands of individuals.
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