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Old 07-23-2008, 01:13 PM
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all these jobs moving over seas, yet US unemployment has been below 6% for YEARS and median income is higher than EVER.

something isnt computing....

also, since 2003 (read bush tax cuts) the total number of millionairs has more than doubled.

the top 2% of wage owners pay somewhere near 40% or more of the tax burden. in the 1970s under Jimmy Carter they paid about 19% of the total income tax bill.

the bottom 50% of wage owners currently pay 2% of the tax burden.

for a party that is for the rich and against the poor... uhm.. republicans are doing a poor job.
Ferd, if we keep exporting quality jobs because big business can make more money and be less regulated, the backlash will be inevitable. If other countries and businesses continue to buy more of our economy the backlash will be inevitable. If we continue to auction out parts of our infrastructure and institutions to the higher bidder (read that as attempting to sell our port security to a Saudi company, offering our Air Force contracts to foreign aircraft munufacturers, etc...), the backlash will be inevitable.
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Old 07-23-2008, 01:14 PM
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LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I know that we have disussed this in the past, but we do currently have a situation where 7 of the 9 Justices were Republican appointed.
Secondly, we have in the recent past had a Republican White House and Hill...what did those voting records net us in regards to eliminating abortion.
Thirdly, what does a vote for a "pro-life" candidate actually mean. For the record once again, I have never voted Democrat, but I am tired of posturing and rhetoric. Does a vote for a pro-life President and Senate mean that I have a realistic expectation that they will get rid of abortion?
LOL! Bro consider this.

first of all, Stevens was appointed by Ford who never considered himself a Conservitive. In fact conservitism didnt really even exist at the time as a major driving force (although Reagan did make a push in 76)

Second, Abortion wasnt really an issue in the same way it became after Reagan. even still, RR put 4 people on the court and 2 are against Roe.

and republicans did pass partial birth abortion law that was signed by Bush. there has been real progress. the next president will likely replace 2 members of the court that currently support Roe. we know that Obama will appoint more supporters of Roe. We know that we have a chance with McCain.
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Old 07-23-2008, 01:15 PM
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Kind of reminds you of the scripture man does what is right in HIS own eyes!

Sad that Christians have fallen for that lie!
You're not listening to my point. The Government isn't the answer for the abortion issue. Government seizure of pregnant women to force them to give birth against their will or making difficult health decisions for them isn't the answer. If my wife were faced with a situation where the doctor advised considering aborting for health reasons or to save her life...I'd rather that decision be made by us....not Washington.
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Ferd, if we keep exporting quality jobs because big business can make more money and be less regulated, the backlash will be inevitable. If other countries and businesses continue to buy more of our economy the backlash will be inevitable. If we continue to auction out parts of our infrastructure and institutions to the higher bidder (read that as attempting to sell our port security to a Saudi company, offering our Air Force contracts to foreign aircraft munufacturers, etc...), the backlash will be inevitable.
hey, some of what you say here I agree with. I think T Boon Pickens is right when he talks about 700 billion dollars a year going to over seas in the form of payments for oil.

but bro, exporting quality jobs? what about the jobs being created? when you consider the fact that the averge mean income is higher than ever, that more and more people are moving into higher wage classes, and that even those in poverty have a higher standard of living than ever before in America, the argument that we are losing good jobs and replacing them with bad jobs fails.
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Why should I answer anything you ask when you refuse to deal with the Scripture I posted?! You brushed me off with the ol' "You don't have any rabbi friends so you can't understand Scripture". (my paraphrase) - If that were true then Rome has a point!

This time I'm not going to let you change subjects in mid stream. You wouldn't let me do it.
My point is that there are two valid interpretations to the Scriptures on this issue. Legislating and granting government the power to seize women to force them to give birth based on one narrow religious interpretation isn't the answer. The decision is best left in the hands of individual women. Will some get abortions for the wrong reasons? Yes. They will answer to God and the guilt and shame will be something that will haunt most of them for the rest of their lives. They will reap what they sow. I just don't see the Government being able to adequately deal with the issue.
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You're not listening to my point. The Government isn't the answer for the abortion issue. Government seizure of pregnant women to force them to give birth against their will or making difficult health decisions for them isn't the answer. If my wife were faced with a situation where the doctor advised considering aborting for health reasons or to save her life...I'd rather that decision be made by us....not Washington.

while it pains me to even respond to you... i have to.


first of all, nobody is talking about serious health issues. we are talking about abortion as a means of birth control.

your silly notion of government seizure is just goofy.
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What's amazing is how people around here like to twist people's words to make it look like people don't think abortion is wrong.
They do this to anyone who doesn't agree with their narrow political agenda. I don't think abortion is always the right thing to do. Frankly, I see few situations where abortion might be the best option. But I also don't think the Government is the answer to resolving the abortion issue.
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hey, some of what you say here I agree with. I think T Boon Pickens is right when he talks about 700 billion dollars a year going to over seas in the form of payments for oil.

but bro, exporting quality jobs? what about the jobs being created? when you consider the fact that the averge mean income is higher than ever, that more and more people are moving into higher wage classes, and that even those in poverty have a higher standard of living than ever before in America, the argument that we are losing good jobs and replacing them with bad jobs fails.
Ferd, but this is a relatively new phenomenon that is growing exponentially by the year. We have not even begun to see where this trend is headed as companies watch their competition head overseas and increase their profit margin and decrease their regulation, insurance, workers comp, etc... Why should anybody stay here and stay loyal to stimulating the US economy when it puts them at a significant disadvantage.
Just a decade ago, it was primarily clothing and other goods that companies were farming out. Now it is increasingly tech, communication jobs and things of that ilk. We have not begun to reap what could be the outcome of all this.
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They do this to anyone who doesn't agree with their narrow political agenda. I don't think abortion is always the right thing to do. Frankly, I see few situations where abortion might be the best option. But I also don't think the Government is the answer to resolving the abortion issue.
No I said what I said because I dont see how it is possible to be both "against abortion" and support abortion
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Rico, "i am pro choice" are the 4 words strung together that matter. the rest is fluff intended to deflect from those 4 words.


good grief.
"Pro-Choice" means, I think my wife and I would rather have the power to choose if advised by doctors as to her life and health. It's not up to the Government to seize a pregnant woman and force her to give birth. It's not up to Washington to make those decisions. Those are life and death decisions made by individuals. I pray women choose life unless the situation is most dire. And I stand by my conviction....the Government is incapable to adequately dealing with the abortion issue.

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