Is "One-Step" Closer To Hell?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

More screwy logic ... from the 3 step crowd.

1. Repentance is a result of a heart that has genuinely placed their faith in the salvation provided by Jesus Christ from death and our sins. Does it need

to be articulated in front of someone? No. Can their be tears and snot and not be genuine? Yes.

Hence, making the determination to repent after ... may not believing on Jesus Christ ... a believer would repent ... it's procrastination, my good friend

.... to shut up Dad ... or uncertainty in the message ... both are UNBELIEF ... and for this one is condemned. Or did repent in his heart ... but understood that their would be a lifestyle change that would occur after stepping off that plane.

Repentance is not a one-stop shop at the altar... it is a heart that relies, surrenders, trusts, clings to Jesus Christ ... in faith and turns to Him in

action and deed.

Once again, another clear-cut example that my 3 step brethren don't know what faith means ... to them it's just mental assent.

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2. We are baptized because we are saved ... our regeneration, New Birth, according to the 1 stepper an the rest of Protest Orthodoxy, believes this happens at the point of faith and repent ...

For the baptismal regenerationist, one is forgiven at repentance but our sins are not remitted/washed/ wipe until the properly administered baptism ... this of course not found in the bible ... nor in the words of the Christ or the Apostles.

baptizer gets it right and helps in effectuating the application of the blood through his articulations.

God knows a humble and contrite ... heart he cannot reject or despise it .... therefore he knows in his Omniscience that a truly repentant life would or

would have not obeyed His Word though the love relationship He establishes in the heart of a believer.

1 Cor ... do you know what repentance really is ... and what it looks like ... since apparently you struggle with what faith is.

Are you God to know and peek into the hearts of men?

If so ... then your logic is sound.

BUMP FOR 1 COR ...

now stop wasting my posts ... I'm on the budget plan.

Atheists are not saved ... repentant believers are.

[tamor]

[1Corinth2v4]

Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4

I believe in the divine three-step mandate of repentance, water baptism, and Holy Ghost infilling to enter heaven. Also, I become weary hearing and reading one-stepper illustrations of the "what if theory." Here's a question for you one-steppers.

There's an atheist, the son of a Pentecostal preacher traveling via airplane and finally accepts the message of Jesus Christ. The atheist states he'll repent of his sins after landing, while in the presence of his father, and the airplane then explodes in mid-air.
Would God send a Pentecostal's preacher boy to hell after his determination was to repent in the presence of his physical father, that his physical father might rejoice with him, in the presence of a mighty merciful God?
I mean, surely, the same merciful God that saves a person after their determination to get baptized, and yet dies in a plane crash before being baptized, this very same merciful God will save a sinner whose determination was to repent, but dies in a plane crash, correct?

This is the same logic you one-steppers utilize, so your answer should be undoubtedly swift.

Bump for Daniel.

A simple yes or no will suffice.

[1Corinth2v4]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

BUMP FOR 1 COR ...

now stop wasting my posts ... I'm on the budget plan.

Atheists are not saved ... repentant believers are.

Understanding aa repentant person is saved, as you stated above, if this repentant person died without the infilling of the Holy Ghost, are they saved?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4

Bump for Daniel.

A simple yes or no will suffice.

Once again repentance is turning towards God and is birthed in faith ... not in the presence of person ... like his father ...

If he truly repented ... then ... physically crying or showing signs of remorse in the presence of his father do not determine whether this repentance is genuine or not.

And ... yes .... if his faith was genuine and his decision to turn to Christ took place on the plane ...

No.... if it was for a theatric presentation he wanted to do for dad ....

A third party does not mitigate salvation, 1 Cor ... although I know you believe that .... since salvation hangs on the words of a baptizer.

Again what is faith ... what is repentance ... do you clearly understand these concepts?

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4

Somehow you have overlooked the atheist's situation and have created your own plot. (sigh...a typical one-stepper)

If the atheist planned to repent, that means he is not an atheist anymore. Why would he plan to repent to a God he doesn't believe in.

If the atheist now believed in God and planned to repent in the presence of his earthly father when he landed, he had already repented in his heart to God. Repentance is not physical words, but a change of heart!

[deltaguitar]

The danger of this type of doctrine is that the preacher's son feels like he needs to get to a pentecostal altar and have hands laid on him in order to pray through to be saved. So, he puts off getting "right" with God because of the doctrine he has been taught.

Really, though. Don't forget that he (the atheist) was probably baptized and filled with the Holy Ghost at a young age if his dad was a pentecostal preacher. So all he needs to do is be repentant as his sins have already been washed away (according to three-step doctrine).

[1Corinth2v4]

Originally Posted by Pianoman

If the atheist planned to repent, that means he is not an atheist anymore. Why would he plan to repent to a God he doesn't believe in.

If the atheist now believed in God and planned to repent in the presence of his earthly father when he landed, he had already repented in his heart to God. Repentance is not physical words, but a change of heart!

Really? Define repentance.

[1Corinth2v4]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

BUMP FOR 1 COR ...


Atheists are not saved ... repentant believers are.

Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4

Understanding a repentant person is saved, as you stated above, if this repentant person died without the infilling of the Holy Ghost, are they saved?

Bump for Daniel

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

The danger of this type of doctrine is that the preacher's son feels like he needs to get to a pentecostal altar and have hands laid on him in order to pray through to be saved. So, he puts off getting "right" with God because of the doctrine he has been taught.

Really, though. Don't forget that he (the atheist) was probably baptized and filled with the Holy Ghost at a young age if his dad was a pentecostal preacher. So all he needs to do is be repentant as his sins have already been washed away (according to three-step doctrine).

This is a good point. He feels that he won't be saved anyways until he gets home and baptized by a pentecostal preacher. So he puts it off.