Whoa! Polygamist solution is frightening...

[Sister Alvear]

One thing I can say is that people raised in cults most cannot think for themselves...most cannot reason things out...We judge because we have never been there...study mind control. I have tried to reason things with people involved in cults...unless you have personal experience it is hard to understand why the ladies did not do anything.
I know a cult where all kinds of things happen and I tried to reason with some of them...it is impossible UNLESS God intervenes or something drastic happens.

[SOUNWORTHY]

Originally Posted by AmazingGrace

Ok I dont know how much of this has been stated as I dont have enough strength today to even think about going back and reading.

Last night I watched a couple of news shows about this.. our local news and one other. They have pressed formal charges. They do have some forms of very outstanding evidence from what I understand... a lot of DNA evidence too.. a few of the mothers are really cooperating with the investigation now from the sounds of it and there is supposedly now enough evidence that if they choose not to (which they would be idiots to send them back) they wouldnt have to send these children back into that mess ever!

I love the word, supposedly, we use that when we are not sure.

If it wasn't true they couldn't say it on the news!! Let's wait until the smoke clears and then continue our gossip, sorry, I mean discussion. ;-) If you are not sure of the facts, it IS gossip. The bible doesn't say polygamy is wrong but it does say plenty about back biting. Don't get me wrong, I don't believe in having more than one wife, I can't afford more than one.
As far as the Gov. coming in and taking our kids, the people in Ca. may find that if they insist on home schooling without proper credentials the CPA may just do something like that. Don't say it will never happen. We never thought Gays would ever gain the ground they have. When they do gain the right to marry and our pastors refuse to marry them, he may find himself in big trouble. I believe, if there is a problem in Texas there should be something done but let's not stop there, let's go after all the under aged mothers and fathers that the tax payer is paying for child day centers so the mother can finish school. If polygamy is wrong, let's go after the man who has children all over town and mothers who are drawing welfare for multiple kids who all have different last names.

By all means, don't believe every detail you hear on TV. We have former UPC even on here that say how terrible they have been treated by UPC and even in some cases refer to it as a cult.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

Just a question, and not necessarily directed at you, Kae. Your post is what made me to think of it.

14, 15, and 16-year old girls are heavily sexually active in America.

Do you suppose the CPS people involved in this case see any problem in 15-year-old girls having sex with teenage boys? Public schools encourage teen sex, or mildly discourage it and then hand the kids condoms with a wink.

Is the only problem here the age DIFFERENCE between the men and girls?

Very keen observation OP!

[The Mrs]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

Certainly those who can be charged with abuse should be charged. But what about those kids and parents where abuse wasn't a factor? Do we allow the state to take their kids because we don't like their religion?

When the religious practice breaks the laws of the land, yes.

Child abuse is not some trivial law.

And in this case, there would not be any kids or parents where abuse isn't a factor. This is their way of life. They are taught this from the time they are born.

The only way to fix this is to teach them new life skills. It is NOT acceptable for underage children to marry and have babies.

[The Mrs]

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

Just a question, and not necessarily directed at you, Kae. Your post is what made me to think of it.

14, 15, and 16-year old girls are heavily sexually active in America.

Do you suppose the CPS people involved in this case see any problem in 15-year-old girls having sex with teenage boys? Public schools encourage teen sex, or mildly discourage it and then hand the kids condoms with a wink.

Is the only problem here the age DIFFERENCE between the men and girls?

I would think the difference between 'our' 14, 15, and 16-year olds being sexually active and these others is: they have a choice. You can't compare being naughty with being controlled and abused.

[SOUNWORTHY]

Originally Posted by The Mrs

When the religious practice breaks the laws of the land, yes.

Then you are saying, if he good people of Ca. insist on home schooling they should have their kids removed from the home and if it comes to the time that one of our pastors refuse to marry two gays should he be put in jail and his children be removed from his home along with the children of all his saints? They are breaking the laws of the land.

[The Mrs]

Originally Posted by SOUNWORTHY

Then you are saying, if he good people of Ca. insist on home schooling they should have their kids removed from the home and if it comes to the time that one of our pastors refuse to marry two gays should he be put in jail and his children be removed from his home along with the children of all his saints? They are breaking the laws of the land.

I really don't feel like playing the 'What If' game.

Child molestation, rape, and abuse is on a whole 'nother level.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by SOUNWORTHY

I love the word, supposedly, we use that when we are not sure.

If it wasn't true they couldn't say it on the news!! Let's wait until the smoke clears and then continue our gossip, sorry, I mean discussion. ;-) If you are not sure of the facts, it IS gossip. The bible doesn't say polygamy is wrong but it does say plenty about back biting. Don't get me wrong, I don't believe in having more than one wife, I can't afford more than one.
As far as the Gov. coming in and taking our kids, the people in Ca. may find that if they insist on home schooling without proper credentials the CPA may just do something like that. Don't say it will never happen. We never thought Gays would ever gain the ground they have. When they do gain the right to marry and our pastors refuse to marry them, he may find himself in big trouble. I believe, if there is a problem in Texas there should be something done but let's not stop there, let's go after all the under aged mothers and fathers that the tax payer is paying for child day centers so the mother can finish school. If polygamy is wrong, let's go after the man who has children all over town and mothers who are drawing welfare for multiple kids who all have different last names.

By all means, don't believe every detail you hear on TV. We have former UPC even on here that say how terrible they have been treated by UPC and even in some cases refer to it as a cult.

Irrelevant..

I don't think anyone has raised the issue of poligamy as much so as the child abuse.

You can not condone forced underage marriage and sex....period.

Satanic cults are considered a religion and are free to practice in this country. Does'nt mean they are allowed to perform animal and human sacrifices as their religion calls for does it ?

I see no problem with what Texas done, I not only will give my tax dollars to care for the children but patiently await word of a donation fund I can send to.

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by SOUNWORTHY

Then you are saying, if he good people of Ca. insist on home schooling they should have their kids removed from the home and if it comes to the time that one of our pastors refuse to marry two gays should he be put in jail and his children be removed from his home along with the children of all his saints? They are breaking the laws of the land.

Originally Posted by The Mrs

I really don't feel like playing the 'What If' game.

Child molestation, rape, and abuse is on a whole 'nother level.

I understand the issue that we see this a tall curling crested wave in the tide of eroding freedoms: The erosion of parental rights and the transformation of children into wards of the state. But she is right; the what-if game is not only futile but untimely in the face of these larger-than-life current circumstances. This is the wrong field for that battle.

Child molestation, rape, and abuse are, indeed, on a different level of misdeed.

They are placed on that level by the minds of men and are agreed upon by society. They permanently destroy innocence, and permanently affect people's future emotional abilities. The invisible scars never vanish.

I think you'll quickly find that the mind of God draws scant difference between these sins and other sins like lying and gossiping.

[Rico]

They are getting ready to separate the children who have stayed with their mothers.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080420/...gamist_retreat