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Old 04-10-2008, 11:53 PM
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Say What, Barrack?

Say What, Barrack?
By Paul R. Hollrah

Tuning in to C-Span recently, I found myself listening to a speech by Senator Barrack Hussein Obama, Jr. He was standing in the pulpit of a black church in Selma, Alabama, and as I studied the body language of the dozen or so black ministers standing behind the senator, I couldn't help but be reminded of the little head-bobbing dolls that people used to place in the rear windows of their 1957 Chevrolets. If their reactions are any indication, the new "Schlickmeister" of the Democrat Party is actually a pretty accomplished public speaker.

However, as he spoke, I found my b.s. alarm going off, repeatedly. But I couldn't quite figure out why until I actually read excerpts of his speech several days later. Here's part of what he said:

"...something happened back here in Selma, Alabama. Something happened in Birmingham that sent out what Bobby Kennedy called, "ripples of hope all around the world." Something happened when a bunch of women decided they were going to walk instead of ride the bus after a long day of doing somebody else's laundry, looking after somebody else's children.

"When (black) men who had PhD's decided 'that's enough' and 'we're going to stand up for our dignity,' that sent a shout across oceans so that my grandfather began to imagine something different for his son. His son, who grew up herding goats in a small village in Africa could suddenly set his sights a little higher and believe that maybe a black man in this world had a chance.

"So the Kennedy's decided we're going to do an airlift. We're going to go to Africa and start bringing young Africans over to this country and give them scholarships to study so they can learn what a wonderful country
America is.

"This young man named Barack Obama got one of those tickets and came over to this country. He met this woman whose great great-great-great- grandfather had owned slaves; but she had a good idea there was some craziness going on because they looked at each other and they decid ed that we know that, (in) the world as it has been, it might not be possible for us to get together and have a child. There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. Was born. So don't tell me I don't have a claim on Selma , Alabama. Don't tell me I'm not coming home to Selma, Alabama."


Okay, so what's wrong with that? It all sounds good. But is it?

Obama told his audience that, because some folks had the courage to "march across a bridge" in Selma, Alabama, his mother, a white woman from Kansas, and his father, a black Muslim from Africa, took heart. It gave them the courage to get married and have a child. The problem with that characterization is that Barrack Obama, Jr, was born on August 4, 1961, while the first of three marches across that bridge in Selma didn't occur until March 7, 1965, at least five years after Obama's parents met.

Obama went on to tell his audience that the Kennedys, Jack and Bobby, decided to do an airlift. They would bring some young Africans over so that they could be educated and learn all about America. His grandfather heard that call and sent his son, Barrack Obama, Sr., to America.

The problem with that scenario is that, having been born in August 1961, the future senator was not conceived until sometime in November 1960. So if this African grandfather heard words that ''sent a shout across oceans,'' inspiring him to send his goat-herder son to America, it was not a Democrat Jack Kennedy he heard, nor his brother Bobby, it was a Republican President, Dwight D. Eisenhower.

Obama's speech is reminiscent of Al Gore's claim of having invented the Internet, Hillary Clinton's claim of having been named after the first man to climb Mt. Everest, even though she was born five years and seven months before Sir Edmund climbed the mountain, and John Kerry's imaginary trip to Cambodia.

As one of my black friends, Eddie Huff, has said, "We need to ask some very serious questions of the senator from Illinois. It's not enough to be black, it's not enough to be articulate, and it's not enough to be eloquent and a media darling. The only question will be how deaf an ear, or how blind an eye, will people turn in order to turn a frog into a prince."
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Old 04-11-2008, 12:22 AM
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How do you tell when a politician is lying? . . . . . .

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Say What, Barrack?
By Paul R. Hollrah

Tuning in to C-Span recently, I found myself listening to a speech by Senator Barrack Hussein Obama, Jr. He was standing in the pulpit of a black church in Selma, Alabama, and as I studied the body language of the dozen or so black ministers standing behind the senator, I couldn't help but be reminded of the little head-bobbing dolls that people used to place in the rear windows of their 1957 Chevrolets. ... ... ...

The problem with that scenario is that, having been born in August 1961, the future senator was not conceived until sometime in November 1960. So if this African grandfather heard words that ''sent a shout across oceans,'' inspiring him to send his goat-herder son to America, it was not a Democrat Jack Kennedy he heard, nor his brother Bobby, it was a Republican President, Dwight D. Eisenhower.

Obama's speech is reminiscent of Al Gore's claim of having invented the Internet, Hillary Clinton's claim of having been named after the first man to climb Mt. Everest, even though she was born five years and seven months before Sir Edmund climbed the mountain, and John Kerry's imaginary trip to Cambodia.

As one of my black friends, Eddie Huff, has said, "We need to ask some very serious questions of the senator from Illinois. It's not enough to be black, it's not enough to be articulate, and it's not enough to be eloquent and a media darling. The only question will be how deaf an ear, or how blind an eye, will people turn in order to turn a frog into a prince."
Great points, Fiyahstarter. Good job on the historical research.
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How do you tell when a politician is lying? . . . . . .

his lips are moving and sound is coming out, i think it is clear that he claims to be a child of history but doesnt really understand what happened or know what happened, lol,dt
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It reminds me of Romney’s remarks about his father and MLK marching for civil rights, or Hillary’s dodging sniper fire. LOL

Politicians lie like the devil. Even McCain has a litany of lies he’s told.

In my mind there are two ways to look at all these political lies. We can acknowledge them as lies and just admit that it’s ugly, but par for the course, leaving us to focus on policies and how they affect the American people. Or we can take a stand against all lies and the liars that tell them (essentially all politicians) and refuse to vote out of moral conviction.

Refusing to vote would be near blasphemy in my family because I was raised to believe that the right to vote is precious and should be cherished. Regardless of who one votes for, one should vote. But, I was reading an article written by a Mennonite Christian explaining why voting isn’t a “right” but rather a “rite”. His conviction is that the world system is essentially evil and imperialist, and to vote for it in any aspect is to participate, to vote is to affirm, to vote is to support (the good and the evil), to vote is to place one’s trust in political forces and human leaders. He explains that it is his conviction to refrain from participation in the political process and proclaim the Kingdom of God as superseding all human institutions. He believes that politics causes divisions in the church and that politics distracts us from our true and biblical mission of preaching the gospel of the kingdom.

I’m not certain that I agree with him…however…the more lies and corruption I see on both sides the more I feel his position is justified. Some churches say it is a Christian’s civic and religious duty to vote. I’ve heard it said that if a Christian put his faith into action by voting, he’s betrayed the Lord. So in a limited sense…it has become a “rite” of sorts. Could it be that voting is slowly becoming a way of burning a pinch of incense to the system? Could it possible become so bad that devout Christians find themselves unable to vote or support either party or the system?
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It reminds me of Romney’s remarks about his father and MLK marching for civil rights, or Hillary’s dodging sniper fire. LOL

Politicians lie like the devil. Even McCain has a litany of lies he’s told.

In my mind there are two ways to look at all these political lies. We can acknowledge them as lies and just admit that it’s ugly, but par for the course, leaving us to focus on policies and how they affect the American people. Or we can take a stand against all lies and the liars that tell them (essentially all politicians) and refuse to vote out of moral conviction.

Refusing to vote would be near blasphemy in my family because I was raised to believe that the right to vote is precious and should be cherished. Regardless of who one votes for, one should vote. But, I was reading an article written by a Mennonite Christian explaining why voting isn’t a “right” but rather a “rite”. His conviction is that the world system is essentially evil and imperialist, and to vote for it in any aspect is to participate, to vote is to affirm, to vote is to support (the good and the evil), to vote is to place one’s trust in political forces and human leaders. He explains that it is his conviction to refrain from participation in the political process and proclaim the Kingdom of God as superseding all human institutions. He believes that politics causes divisions in the church and that politics distracts us from our true and biblical mission of preaching the gospel of the kingdom.

I’m not certain that I agree with him…however…the more lies and corruption I see on both sides the more I feel his position is justified. Some churches say it is a Christian’s civic and religious duty to vote. I’ve heard it said that if a Christian put his faith into action by voting, he’s betrayed the Lord. So in a limited sense…it has become a “rite” of sorts. Could it be that voting is slowly becoming a way of burning a pinch of incense to the system? Could it possible become so bad that devout Christians find themselves unable to vote or support either party or the system?

news flash Romney aint running for president.
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there is never a justification for lying, period,none, black and white enough for you, dt
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news flash Romney aint running for president.
news flash...that wasn't my point

My point is that politicians on both sides lie like crazy. Where do we draw the line? Do we accept one party's lies over the other's? Or is there a moral argument for separation from the world when it comes to politics as many Minnonite and Anabaptists believe?
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there is never a justification for lying, period,none, black and white enough for you, dt
Amen DT.

Now that we've agreed upon there being no justification for lying, where do we go from here? Do we refrain from voting for any politician who tells lies? And if so ...who does that leave us to vote for?
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