QUESTION: DId only 72 or 225 join WPF???????

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by embonpoint

Well you will have to figure a little bit out for yourself, but....

You could start with the 62 ministers named to the various commitees on the WPF website and then you need only 10 more. I could actually name names from that point, but would rather not, however I am quite sure that there are 10 more ministers working in the local churched of just the 6 executive council members. Not to mention their "sons in the Gospel."


Like I say, it sure makes ya miss the "accurate" reporting we used to get from Thad!!

Are you saying that they were being advertised as members of the WwPF before they ever joined? I was trusting that all the men on the committees had already joined before the meeting in Tulsa - thus their positions on the various committees.

So we still need 72 names.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by NW Pastor

Why does everthing have to be a secret?

This is just my own speculation--but they may be keeping the information private because they would like to try and postpone the horrendous backlash that might be brought to bear against joiners--at least for a while until things settle down.

Makes sense to me.

Right now, while emotions run high, the reaction might be a lot more violent than a couple of years down the road, when things have quieted down a little.

Originally Posted by stmatthew

If you are not able to substantiate your claims of wrong doing, then your testamony is void of credibility. It has been stated plainly by the Tulsa group that they did in fact speak to each person on the list. Thus far, no one has been bold enough to come forward that was on the original list and state openly that they did not speak to them. Until that occurs, I will continue to give the Tulsa group the benefit of the doubt, and disbelieve all those that come saying "he said/she said".

Time will tell. Naming names is an easy way to get the hearsay amped up even more. Just because I named a name would not make it validated because it is still he said/she said.

Suffice it to say that there is a reason this membership role is not coming out in a timely manner, because when it does it will not look like the Pre-Tulsa list. Right now, that is my opinion, when it actually happens, it will be fact.

It is interesting to hear them talk though. "It is an organization... It is not an organization." "We will not have leaders making decisions... we will have leaders making decisions." "I am not handing in my fellowship card... I have handed in my fellowship card."

What exactly is the WPF? We are sitting here debating whether they have members or not, if they have income, if they have a missions program... What is this all about anyway?

Originally Posted by Dan'D

You need to check your facts.

Dan'D

For you to question my fact, you must have facts of your own. Do you know for sure how many names on the Pre Tulsa list actually signed up? I believe the Tulsa group is not pleased by the response and is wondering how to proceed. (My opinion) I know this may be painful for you, and I hope it does not lead to bitterness because that is no fun. The whole deal is that this thing is dividing families and friends from way back. People are being pulled one way then another. This thing is a mess.

My facts do not come from others. They come from the mouths of these three men. I have heard of two more, but since I did not hear them myself, I don't know if this happened or not.

All of this speculation would be mute if they would just publicize a membership role. Take an moment and ask yourself why this has not happened yet. I don't know but have my thoughts on the subject.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by MissionsJD

For you to question my fact, you must have facts of your own. Do you know for sure how many names on the Pre Tulsa list actually signed up? I believe the Tulsa group is not pleased by the response and is wondering how to proceed. (My opinion) I know this may be painful for you, and I hope it does not lead to bitterness because that is no fun. The whole deal is that this thing is dividing families and friends from way back. People are being pulled one way then another. This thing is a mess.

My facts do not come from others. They come from the mouths of these three men. I have heard of two more, but since I did not hear them myself, I don't know if this happened or not.

All of this speculation would be mute if they would just publicize a membership role. Take an moment and ask yourself why this has not happened yet. I don't know but have my thoughts on the subject.

All of this speculation would be mute if they would just publicize a membership role.

Riiiiiight.

Step right on into my parlor, said that spider to the fly.

Give us a list of folks we can put the bead on.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Riiiiiight.

Step right on into my parlor, said that spider to the fly.

Give us a list of folks we can put the bead on.

I'm disappointed that such a calculating cynicism exists. "They" already have lots of names upon which to "put the bead on." But who's even been hassled?

The way it looks to me, the WwPF could send a truck to Hazelwood and load up desks and furniture and the UPC officials wouldn't even peep.

[tv1a]

If that is the case, I believe I predicted that. I believe I also predicted very few public ripples and a lot of ripples behind closed doors. It appeared to have the success of Woodstock II....

Originally Posted by StMark

I understand that the Majority of those in attendance were independant and not UPC???????

[Coonskinner]

The report is that there were relatively few independents there. It was mostly UPC preachers.

The average independent isn't interested in joining anything.

[CC1]

If 1500 ministers attended I would expect at least a 10% conversion (pun intended) rate which would mean at least 150.

I really expect more in the 300-500 range at start up so it will be interesting to see if they publish any membership numbers soon.

I think with as big a prosle....er..."recruitment" effort as they made anything less than several hundred at startup would be a failure. Especially with as many established conservative names heading this thing up.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by CC1

If 1500 ministers attended I would expect at least a 10% conversion (pun intended) rate which would mean at least 150.

I really expect more in the 300-500 range at start up so it will be interesting to see if they publish any membership numbers soon.

I think with as big a prosle....er..."recruitment" effort as they made anything less than several hundred at startup would be a failure. Especially with as many established conservative names heading this thing up.

My understanding is that the Tulsa event was simply an infommercial . They did have some join there, but the actual deal for joining is supposed to be in Branson.