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Old 02-01-2008, 07:04 PM
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Well I'm sorry you feel that way. I find McCain's track record to be far more disturbing. He could quite easily lead us down the primrose path to totalitarianism with the house and senate in slack-jawed apathetic agreement. The "faith-based presidency" of George W. Bush will seem a swimming success in comparison once you learn the sorts of things that McCain will pursue on faith.

If you can stomach it, I recommend that you buy a copy or two of Reason magazine, and of course National Review.
If I've given you the impression that I am a McCain fan, let me tell you that you ARE mistaken. Most likely I've "lost" the early vote I've already cast. Who I vote for is a private matter, but I will tell you that it was NOT for McCain. I'm "almost persauded" as Ann Coulter has said to "vote for Hillary" in the general election if McCain is the candidate. Sometimes every choice is appalling. I have done my civic duty by attempting to get at least a semi-Conservative nominated.
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Old 02-01-2008, 08:27 PM
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I just received this in an email:

Sean Hannity: "I'll tell you right now, and I've not announced this, but I will be voting for Mitt Romney in this campaign. It's the first time I've stated it publicly. I'll state it now." ("Sean Hannity Radio Show," 1/31/08.)
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I agree with this article!

Why You're Going To Vote For John McCain In November And Like It!

By John Hawkins
Friday, February 1, 2008

Admittedly the title is a wee bit of an exaggeration. Did I say "wee bit?" I really meant a huge exaggeration. Okay, okay, the title is so over-the-top that I would only write it in a column, not say it in front of an audience of conservatives because people might start throwing garbage.

And let me tell you, I understand where people are coming from with McCain; I really do. That's why I created such seminal works of art as The Conservative Case Against John McCain In 2008, A Conservative Nightmare: Republican Nominee, John McCain, and John McCain: This guy? Really?, among many, many other brutal attacks on "Amnesty" John. On the bright side, I suppose that if he becomes President, no one can ever accuse me of refusing to criticize people on my own side, but on the other hand, that would mean John McCain would be the President of the United States. Shudder!

Wait, what was this column about again? Oh yes, why conservatives should vote for John McCain in 2008. Well, somebody had to write this column since it's looking more and more likely that McCain is going to be the nominee and it's better that it isn't one of the people who actually like him because a lot of the things that need to be said about Mr. "Straight Talk" aren't that pleasant.

The truth is that John McCain could have been fairly called a conservative at one time, but that is no longer an accurate designation for him. McCain is not just a squish or a RINO, he is a man who seems to take pleasure in publicly fighting against conservatives on issues of great import. That's why John McCain may become the de facto leader of the Republican Party if he's the nominee and the leader of the country if he's the President, but no matter how many times he calls himself a "conservative leader," the Right will accept him as the leader of the conservative movement about 5 minutes after hell freezes over and reopens as a ski lodge.

That being said, there's another side to the story that has to be told. For all of his flaws, and there are many of them, John McCain is far to the right of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. Those of us on the Right tend to downplay that, because a betrayal by someone on our own side stings much more sharply than one from a Democrat, but it is something conservatives should be willing to admit.

It's also worth noting that these claims that McCain will destroy the conservative movement are unlikely to be true or alternately, if they are, then the conservative movement is probably too fragile to last any way. After all, if the liberal movement could survive Bill Clinton, a lying adulterer whose three greatest "accomplishments," welfare reform, NAFTA, and balancing the budget, were all near and dear to the hearts of conservatives, then we should be able to withstand McCain.

More to the point, although we cannot know exactly how things will play out, it's very easy to imagine a scenario where a McCain presidency would be very good for the country and for conservatism.

Don't think it sounds possible? Well, imagine this: John McCain selects Fred Thompson as his Vice-President and defeats Hillary Clinton in November. Although he has many negatives, McCain is a fiscal conservative and it's easy to see him balancing the budget, which would burnish the fiscal credentials of the Republican Party.

McCain would also hang in there in Iraq and insure that country is stable before we leave, which would help the American public regain confidence in the GOP on foreign policy again.

Next up is judges. John Paul Stevens is 87 years old. Ruth Bader Ginsburg is 74 and has had cancer. Does either of those two liberals make it through the next four years without retiring? That's no small issue, because the court is currently split with 4 conservatives, 4 liberals and a moderate. That means a number of important cases, including Roe v. Wade, will probably be decided once and for all by the Supreme Court appointments of the next President of the United States. May God forgive us if we condemn a million plus children a year to death by abortion because we're angry at John McCain.

Then there's immigration, where we know McCain is just dying to put the illegal immigrants in this country on a path to citizenship. However, he has pledged to secure the border before he does that. In all honesty, with the glacier-like speed that the federal government moves, there is zero chance that is going to be completed in the next four years. Yet, as security improves, more and more illegal aliens will leave the country on their own. So even though McCain's motives wouldn't be pure, enforcement by attrition would still occur during his first term and if conservatives hold McCain to his promise, it's very possible that he wouldn't be able to implement amnesty by 2012.

Of course, there are a lot of other non-conservative things that McCain would like to do but happily, as we all know, the Founding Fathers created a political system that moves slowly and is very prone to gridlock. That means it's possible that much of the rest of McCain's agenda would remain undone in his first term and it's entirely possible that McCain won't run again. He is, after all, almost 72 years old and as Chuck Norris so bluntly reminded us, the presidency does have a tendency to age a man well beyond his years.

So, think about where we could be: a balanced budget, the war in Iraq won, a conservative Supreme Court, border security increased, the Republican Party's reputation much improved, and McCain leaving office in 2012. Can you really tell me that sounds so bad?

Granted, that is a very rosy scenario, but it's also relatively plausible -- and what's our alternative? President Hillary Rodham Clinton or President Barack Obama, socialized medicine, losing the war in Iraq, allowing Al-Qaeda to run wild for 4 years, exploding deficits, huge tax increases, and a liberal leaning Supreme Court for the next decade.

Of course, some people think there might be a conservative resurgence in opposition to a Democratic President, but don't kid yourself; it's just as likely that a GOP defeat could turn us into a squabbling minority party that is out of power for years while the Left remakes this country in the image of Belgium.

Does that mean you should, "vote for John McCain in November and like it?" No, but it does mean, that if John McCain is the nominee, you should think very hard about holding your nose and voting for the viable candidate who would do the most good for our country.



John Hawkins is a professional blogger who runs Conservative Grapevine and Right Wing News.


http://www.townhall.com/columnists/J...er_and_like_it!
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Old 02-02-2008, 12:08 AM
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I agree with this article!

Why You're Going To Vote For John McCain In November And Like It!

By John Hawkins
Friday, February 1, 2008

Admittedly the title is a wee bit of an exaggeration. Did I say "wee bit?" I really meant a huge exaggeration. Okay, okay, the title is so over-the-top that I would only write it in a column, not say it in front of an audience of conservatives because people might start throwing garbage.

And let me tell you, I understand where people are coming from with McCain; I really do. That's why I created such seminal works of art as The Conservative Case Against John McCain In 2008, A Conservative Nightmare: Republican Nominee, John McCain, and John McCain: This guy? Really?, among many, many other brutal attacks on "Amnesty" John. On the bright side, I suppose that if he becomes President, no one can ever accuse me of refusing to criticize people on my own side, but on the other hand, that would mean John McCain would be the President of the United States. Shudder!

Wait, what was this column about again? Oh yes, why conservatives should vote for John McCain in 2008. Well, somebody had to write this column since it's looking more and more likely that McCain is going to be the nominee and it's better that it isn't one of the people who actually like him because a lot of the things that need to be said about Mr. "Straight Talk" aren't that pleasant.

The truth is that John McCain could have been fairly called a conservative at one time, but that is no longer an accurate designation for him. McCain is not just a squish or a RINO, he is a man who seems to take pleasure in publicly fighting against conservatives on issues of great import. That's why John McCain may become the de facto leader of the Republican Party if he's the nominee and the leader of the country if he's the President, but no matter how many times he calls himself a "conservative leader," the Right will accept him as the leader of the conservative movement about 5 minutes after hell freezes over and reopens as a ski lodge.

That being said, there's another side to the story that has to be told. For all of his flaws, and there are many of them, John McCain is far to the right of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. Those of us on the Right tend to downplay that, because a betrayal by someone on our own side stings much more sharply than one from a Democrat, but it is something conservatives should be willing to admit.

It's also worth noting that these claims that McCain will destroy the conservative movement are unlikely to be true or alternately, if they are, then the conservative movement is probably too fragile to last any way. After all, if the liberal movement could survive Bill Clinton, a lying adulterer whose three greatest "accomplishments," welfare reform, NAFTA, and balancing the budget, were all near and dear to the hearts of conservatives, then we should be able to withstand McCain.

More to the point, although we cannot know exactly how things will play out, it's very easy to imagine a scenario where a McCain presidency would be very good for the country and for conservatism.

Don't think it sounds possible? Well, imagine this: John McCain selects Fred Thompson as his Vice-President and defeats Hillary Clinton in November. Although he has many negatives, McCain is a fiscal conservative and it's easy to see him balancing the budget, which would burnish the fiscal credentials of the Republican Party.

McCain would also hang in there in Iraq and insure that country is stable before we leave, which would help the American public regain confidence in the GOP on foreign policy again.

Next up is judges. John Paul Stevens is 87 years old. Ruth Bader Ginsburg is 74 and has had cancer. Does either of those two liberals make it through the next four years without retiring? That's no small issue, because the court is currently split with 4 conservatives, 4 liberals and a moderate. That means a number of important cases, including Roe v. Wade, will probably be decided once and for all by the Supreme Court appointments of the next President of the United States. May God forgive us if we condemn a million plus children a year to death by abortion because we're angry at John McCain.

Then there's immigration, where we know McCain is just dying to put the illegal immigrants in this country on a path to citizenship. However, he has pledged to secure the border before he does that. In all honesty, with the glacier-like speed that the federal government moves, there is zero chance that is going to be completed in the next four years. Yet, as security improves, more and more illegal aliens will leave the country on their own. So even though McCain's motives wouldn't be pure, enforcement by attrition would still occur during his first term and if conservatives hold McCain to his promise, it's very possible that he wouldn't be able to implement amnesty by 2012.

Of course, there are a lot of other non-conservative things that McCain would like to do but happily, as we all know, the Founding Fathers created a political system that moves slowly and is very prone to gridlock. That means it's possible that much of the rest of McCain's agenda would remain undone in his first term and it's entirely possible that McCain won't run again. He is, after all, almost 72 years old and as Chuck Norris so bluntly reminded us, the presidency does have a tendency to age a man well beyond his years.

So, think about where we could be: a balanced budget, the war in Iraq won, a conservative Supreme Court, border security increased, the Republican Party's reputation much improved, and McCain leaving office in 2012. Can you really tell me that sounds so bad?

Granted, that is a very rosy scenario, but it's also relatively plausible -- and what's our alternative? President Hillary Rodham Clinton or President Barack Obama, socialized medicine, losing the war in Iraq, allowing Al-Qaeda to run wild for 4 years, exploding deficits, huge tax increases, and a liberal leaning Supreme Court for the next decade.

Of course, some people think there might be a conservative resurgence in opposition to a Democratic President, but don't kid yourself; it's just as likely that a GOP defeat could turn us into a squabbling minority party that is out of power for years while the Left remakes this country in the image of Belgium.

Does that mean you should, "vote for John McCain in November and like it?" No, but it does mean, that if John McCain is the nominee, you should think very hard about holding your nose and voting for the viable candidate who would do the most good for our country.



John Hawkins is a professional blogger who runs Conservative Grapevine and Right Wing News.


http://www.townhall.com/columnists/J...er_and_like_it!
Now were talking sense. Mccain is FAR to the right of the Dems. He has always VOTED pro life. Hillary recently accused Obama as not being pro abort ENOUGH.

Mccain TWICE voted AGAINST the ban on Assault weapons. Hillary would ban most Gun ownership in the United States.

Mccain for good or bad would be a strong leader of a nation at war.

Mccain is a social Conservative. Thats whats most important to me. There is a LOT of difference between him and the Dems.

I would far prefer Mike Huckabee. I would NEVER vote for the 2 Dems running now. I dont want the blood of the unborn on my hands like it is on theirs.

Truthfully right now I probably will not vote for Mccain or any of them. But there is still about 10 months left. He could possibly come out strong against the Gay rights movement. Thats the biggest issue I have with him right now.

Many years have passed since he divorced his first wife for a younger woman. Personal transgressions can be forgiven if they seem to be in the distant past.

The Dems will NOT get my vote. Mccain MIGHT depending on the next 10 months.

I would be more than astonished if Annie Coulter campaigns for and votes for Hillary. She will eat those word IMHO.
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Now were talking sense. Mccain is FAR to the right of the Dems. He has always VOTED pro life. Hillary recently accused Obama as not being pro abort ENOUGH.

Mccain TWICE voted AGAINST the ban on Assault weapons. Hillary would ban most Gun ownership in the United States.

Mccain for good or bad would be a strong leader of a nation at war.

Mccain is a social Conservative. Thats whats most important to me. There is a LOT of difference between him and the Dems.

I would far prefer Mike Huckabee. I would NEVER vote for the 2 Dems running now. I dont want the blood of the unborn on my hands like it is on theirs.

Truthfully right now I probably will not vote for Mccain or any of them. But there is still about 10 months left. He could possibly come out strong against the Gay rights movement. Thats the biggest issue I have with him right now.

Many years have passed since he divorced his first wife for a younger woman. Personal transgressions can be forgiven if they seem to be in the distant past.

The Dems will NOT get my vote. Mccain MIGHT depending on the next 10 months.

I would be more than astonished if Annie Coulter campaigns for and votes for Hillary. She will eat those word IMHO.
Good post, so many good points. And Yes, Ann (lol) reminds me of Alec Baldwin saying he would leave the country if Bush won. lol

One thing is that McCain DID vote for Roberts - Obama and Hillary did not.

I really do see McCain growing into a stronger leader. Voters loyal to President Bush see in McCain a man who stood firm on the Iraq war. Voters who dislike Bush see a man who criticized the president on the conduct of that war. This is useful.

How I feel, and I was trying to be careful putting out my opinion, but my gut feeling is that Americans see serious challenges ahead for our nation—at home and abroad. They sense McCain’s deep love for our nation and his strength of character. Americans intuitively know McCain alone is up to the task.
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There are a lot of video's on each candidate on Youtube that make them look pretty bad in their own words. They will come back to hurt them.
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The early church voted in no elections...maybe our choice should be the same.
I disagree. Voting is very important. The worst thing we could do is sit elections out. We have a voice in this country, we being Christians.
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I have to agree with you on that point.

I'm hearing that if McCain gets it, he will be a one term president.
I don't think McCain has much of a chance at winning the Whitehouse. For one thing, he's 71 years old. His age will factor in to voters' decision. I don't like him very much. I think history will be made with this election, because I think either Hillary or Obama will win. Between those two, I think Obama has a better chance. People are referring to him as a black JFK. Also, I think people have grown tired of the Presidency being occupied by either a Bush or a Clinton, and the country is ready for a change.
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I don't think McCain has much of a chance at winning the Whitehouse. For one thing, he's 71 years old. His age will factor in to voters' decision. I don't like him very much. I think history will be made with this election, because I think either Hillary or Obama will win. Between those two, I think Obama has a better chance. People are referring to him as a black JFK. Also, I think people have grown tired of the Presidency being occupied by either a Bush or a Clinton, and the country is ready for a change.
I haven't cast my vote one way or the other, although I will vote my party line. I'm just looking at it all and what I think the feel of it is.

If a Democrat were to go into office I would prefer Obama over Hillary. Certainly. I want this election to be the end for the Clintons.
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Why You're Going To Vote For John McCain In November And Like It!
And here is why people ought to think twice before voting for McCain.


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