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Old 01-03-2008, 02:55 PM
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Yes it is. But I know the scripture says to judge according to how you want to be judged. I want MERCY.
Dear Sister...I pray that I am shown mercy also, but I don't live in a way that can kill others...it's one thing for someone to have a car accident but to do so under the infulence of drugs or alcohol....I have heard tooo many stories of there being repeat offenders...over and over and over....I think there are few families that have not been touched by this. Perhaps it is showing mercy for the victims to lock these people up, not to mention the lives that will be saved and not damaged....crippled, burned, broken, widowed, orphaned, bankrupted, homeless, ............the list goes on and on the effects of drugs/alcohol on lives.
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Night before last a drunk driver got in his truck, drove the wrong way on the interstate and killed 5 people, including 4 children here in Toledo. This family was from Maryland. It's all over the news here. Very sad.

This guy will without a doubt spend time in prison for this. I really feel like this is the right thing. But at the same time, there is a part of me that wants to say that he didn't do what he did maliciously. He has a terrible disease - alcoholism. Should he pay for his crime? Absolutely? But should he pay for it mixed in with hardened criminals? Is that serving any good purpose? I don't know.

What do you all think?
My uncle was killed by a drunk driver... he chose to get in with him, so I don't hold the man completely responsible for his death. My uncle should never have drove with him.

That said, Alcoholism is not a disease. It's an addiction, a powerful one, but it's not a disease. The Bible never says, be not sick with cancer.. but it does say be not drunken with wine...

Mercy is Mercy... but if you're going to give pardon to the one who kills someone while driving drunk (a crime) than you'll just have to be "merciful" for the other crimes as well, because they are in sin and don't have the power of God to deliver them from it. No... we have a legal system to protect us and our children. We have to abide by it or it's completely useless to even have and it then becomes a free for all society. Unsafe for us all.

Drunk drivers should spend time in jail and pay large fines, along with losing their licences for a time and having to go to rehabilitation.

Drunk drivers who kill should spend years in jail... in a program, worked with to rehabilitate.. but in jail no less.
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My uncle was killed by a drunk driver... he chose to get in with him, so I don't hold the man completely responsible for his death. My uncle should never have drove with him.

That said, Alcoholism is not a disease. It's an addiction, a powerful one, but it's not a disease. The Bible never says, be not sick with cancer.. but it does say be not drunken with wine...

Mercy is Mercy... but if you're going to give pardon to the one who kills someone while driving drunk (a crime) than you'll just have to be "merciful" for the other crimes as well, because they are in sin and don't have the power of God to deliver them from it. No... we have a legal system to protect us and our children. We have to abide by it or it's completely useless to even have and it then becomes a free for all society. Unsafe for us all.

Drunk drivers should spend time in jail and pay large fines, along with losing their licences for a time and having to go to rehabilitation.

Drunk drivers who kill should spend years in jail... in a program, worked with to rehabilitate.. but in jail no less.
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Old 01-03-2008, 04:01 PM
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Night before last a drunk driver got in his truck, drove the wrong way on the interstate and killed 5 people, including 4 children here in Toledo. This family was from Maryland. It's all over the news here. Very sad.

This guy will without a doubt spend time in prison for this. I really feel like this is the right thing. But at the same time, there is a part of me that wants to say that he didn't do what he did maliciously. He has a terrible disease - alcoholism. Should he pay for his crime? Absolutely? But should he pay for it mixed in with hardened criminals? Is that serving any good purpose? I don't know.

What do you all think?
What makes you think so?

Leonard Little (NFL Rams player) killed a lady while he was drunk driving and walked scott-free. Happens all of the time.
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Old 01-03-2008, 04:38 PM
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My uncle was killed by a drunk driver... he chose to get in with him, so I don't hold the man completely responsible for his death. My uncle should never have drove with him.

That said, Alcoholism is not a disease. It's an addiction, a powerful one, but it's not a disease. The Bible never says, be not sick with cancer.. but it does say be not drunken with wine...

Mercy is Mercy... but if you're going to give pardon to the one who kills someone while driving drunk (a crime) than you'll just have to be "merciful" for the other crimes as well, because they are in sin and don't have the power of God to deliver them from it. No... we have a legal system to protect us and our children. We have to abide by it or it's completely useless to even have and it then becomes a free for all society. Unsafe for us all.

Drunk drivers should spend time in jail and pay large fines, along with losing their licences for a time and having to go to rehabilitation.

Drunk drivers who kill should spend years in jail... in a program, worked with to rehabilitate.. but in jail no less.
How many lives have been destroyed by adultry? Children living in poverty, kids turning to crime. It is a sin that affects more than the two people committing the sin. Should they go to jail also?
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Old 01-03-2008, 04:48 PM
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How many lives have been destroyed by adultry? Children living in poverty, kids turning to crime. It is a sin that affects more than the two people committing the sin. Should they go to jail also?
Sis I feel like you have personal link to this topic, and while I have compassion for you and rejoice if someone you know has cleaned up and been delivered, but no matter what there is a price to pay...

In places where adultery is against the law it can be a criminal offense, but morally none of this stuff is good, having a long list of sins does not diminish the first topic brought up here...the world has a lot of problems and will until the Lord locks up the devil, in the mean time we have to do our best as single individuals to make it better for others. Being personally responsible in how we live our lives and do our best to help those that are not saved...it's all in Gods hands and it must grieve Him so to see such pain in the world...
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What makes you think so?

Leonard Little (NFL Rams player) killed a lady while he was drunk driving and walked scott-free. Happens all of the time.
Right now he is being held on a million and a half dollar bond. I honestly believe that if he walked free after this, all of Northwest Ohio would be LIVID. I do believe he's going to be in prison for a long time.

I agree with all of you. I DO think he needs to pay for this horrible crime. I think what he did was a terrible, terrible thing.

My only concern is that there is a small part of me that keeps thinking that he should be punished severely, but that making hardened criminals his roommates for the next 40 years is not going to do society alot of good either. Do you understand where I am coming from?

I really am torn about this. I HATE what this man did to this family. I HATE that he made the terrible choices that he made that brought this up to this point. I also understand that he has an eternal soul. I truly believe that God weeps as much for his soul and his choices as he does for me when I make a choice to sin against Him. It would be much easier if I could just make myself hate this MAN. But I can't. God doesn't. He hates his sin. He hates his choices. But He paid the price for his redemption if the man would just turn to Him.

Please don't think that I am minimizing any of the pain that you all have experienced because of drunk drivers. I sincerely am not. Maybe that's why I hate alcoholism as much as I do.

Thank you - all of you -for your input. It has given me much to think about.
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How many lives have been destroyed by adultry? Children living in poverty, kids turning to crime. It is a sin that affects more than the two people committing the sin. Should they go to jail also?
Driving Drunk is a crime... it's a punishable crime to protect the innocent.
If we could punish men and woman for adultery etc, that'd be wonderful, but we can't... the law doesn't cover that. It does however cover drunken driving, and murder both.

We have to look at this with common sense too... Because it isn't a crime (adultery) doesn't make it right... but because we don't punish everything as a society, we don't throw out our laws. A lawless society would be a scary one.
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Right now he is being held on a million and a half dollar bond. I honestly believe that if he walked free after this, all of Northwest Ohio would be LIVID. I do believe he's going to be in prison for a long time.

I agree with all of you. I DO think he needs to pay for this horrible crime. I think what he did was a terrible, terrible thing.

My only concern is that there is a small part of me that keeps thinking that he should be punished severely, but that making hardened criminals his roommates for the next 40 years is not going to do society alot of good either. Do you understand where I am coming from?

I really am torn about this. I HATE what this man did to this family. I HATE that he made the terrible choices that he made that brought this up to this point. I also understand that he has an eternal soul. I truly believe that God weeps as much for his soul and his choices as he does for me when I make a choice to sin against Him. It would be much easier if I could just make myself hate this MAN. But I can't. God doesn't. He hates his sin. He hates his choices. But He paid the price for his redemption if the man would just turn to Him.

Please don't think that I am minimizing any of the pain that you all have experienced because of drunk drivers. I sincerely am not. Maybe that's why I hate alcoholism as much as I do.

Thank you - all of you -for your input. It has given me much to think about.
I don't think there is anyone who has driven drunk and killed who spent 40 years in prison. The man who killed my uncle spent very little time behind bars.
Many are paroled.
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I may be in the minority but I have a problem believing that alcoholism is a disease. One chooses to to drink and most everyone knows all the problems associated with alcohol. One does not choose to have cancer and other diseases. My ex husband is an alcoholic. He was a very nice person until he would take the first drink then he morphed into Satan's brother! He chooses to drink knowing the consequences. I would never ride with him while he was drinking and prayed that there would be no accident. It is nearly impossible to take the car keys away from someone drinking.
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