Hispanics...What to do with THEM !! - Page 7

SDG · #61 10-12-2007, 10:02 PM

Chosen, I love your spirit ... and pray you do not leave this thread being offended. I am of the thought that we often place imaginary fences and barriers in our lives for many reasons .... probably because we so fear the unknown. If God has placed a burden in your heart to reach our people and he has confirmed it ... no man will be able to get in your way. That is why I have cut to the chase and said "Go and do it".

As a movement we are constantly talking ... and rarely doing.

#62 10-12-2007, 10:35 PM

I believe that you're telling the truth about your situation. What you have described happens all the time. I will also pray for you and your ministry.

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Originally Posted by Chosen

Hello,

With all due respect to my precious brethen and with an angle from a minority(Minority in this nations eyes (but not in Jesus' eyes).

I have lived all my life(42 years) in the south and have been in the Truth the last 20 years.

I have been under precious men of faith BUT there has always been that "understood unspoken law" , caucasians lead, everyone else follows.

Margies3 · #63 10-12-2007, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I lived in Miami for 2 years and I said over and over if someone wants to go to the mission field they should go to South Miami if they speak Spanish. What an opportunity to live in America and be a missionary. The prospects are limitless.

Someone has gone to Miami to start a spanish speaking work.

Steve Well, son of missionaries Roy and Beverly Well, has been there for several years now. He started a very successful work.

Here's his webpage for anyone interested.......

http://www.nuevavidamiami.com/

Praxeas · #64 10-12-2007, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Chosen

Hello,

With all due respect to my precious brethen and with an angle from a minority(Minority in this nations eyes (but not in Jesus' eyes).

I have lived all my life(42 years) in the south and have been in the Truth the last 20 years.

I have been under precious men of faith BUT there has always been that "understood unspoken law" , caucasians lead, everyone else follows.

I attempted to get my Lic. back in 1992 , not allowed because the Pastors son had to be the first one to get his Lic. at that church since he was next in line for the church.

I waited and waited nothing, I have read all the books , preached done all I was asked and nothing met all the requiremnets placed before me and nothing. I moved to TX where at least 50% of the congregations are made up of "minorities" at least in my area and yet NOT ONE "minority" pastor.

Many years ago there was always a stigma that was placed on the black race as "being to dumb" to know or do anything right, well now it has been extended to the Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, Indians shall I go on.

There really is a problem, and I am happy Jesus is not like most in leadership in this area because you see GOD has used me in services full of Caucasians even if they won't.

Its a reality, sad, and even if done subconsciously its still wrong. I hold no bitter feelings , it just saddens me because I know if I notice it many thers do also.

I posted this on a different thread earlier and in doing so I might have given the impression that I am black, sorry for that I am a Hispanic and decided it deserves its own thread.

The UPCI is currently dealing with an issue it should have addressed long ago and I am right now saying in a not to distant future this will be another major one.

Currently there are some assistant Hispanic pastors out there but how many pastors can honestly say you have encouraged them to start their own Spanish UPCI churches to step out and grow?

The Hispanic population is expanding in double digit growth and if the UPCI does not recognize this and see the need to nurture/train/help those who are willing, ready and very able those slighted will rightfully finally take a stand.

Sour grapes, no by no means, I want in no way shape or form for this to ever be an issue, but step back and take and honest look and ask is there any credence to this.

In the UPC it might be that whites lead and everyone else follows, but mind you whites are following too. So to say there is an unspoken rule is ridiculous.

Consider that in a Hispanic church like the Spanish Assemblies it's the Hispanics that lead and everyone else follows. Is that something to make a big deal over?

In the PAW it's mostly blacks that lead and everyone else follows.

The UPC has been by and large a mostly white organization. That is changing in many areas though. In my area it's common for there to be hispanic pastors and ministers IN the UPC

And, the incident with the Pastors son is not about race. It's NEPOTISM. You could have been white and the same thing would have occured

Praxeas · #65 10-12-2007, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Darcie

Manuel Alicea, one of the pioneers of the Spanish Ministry in the UPCI. He was a pastor of his own church for 28 yrs until God chose to call him home. I have the honor of calling him Dad!

Awesome..you know something that always bugged me? Every time they have "Spanish Evangelism" conferences or "Asian Conferences" they have then in the most wacked out areas....we need to have Spanish Evangelism Confs right here in South Cal. We have a HUGE foreign missions field right here.

We need more spanish speaking Apostolics to reach and teach them the truth

Praxeas · #66 10-12-2007, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Chosen

I believe the issue is not that it has been an odyssey with me but that it has been an issue at all. In other words why is there a need to jump through hurdles, to go out of my way to simply want to work?

I respect hierarchy and understand protocol and so forth but you and I both know very well that if I go outside "my" immediate leadership network for help in this , it will be frowned upon by the ones over me and I may will be labled a "rebeller" for not following sop (which I have to no avail).

Maybe it's not just race. There are some whites that feel the same way.

COOPER · #67 10-12-2007, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Chosen

Hello,

The Hispanic population is expanding in double digit growth and if the UPCI does not recognize this and see the need to nurture/train/help those who are willing, ready and very able those slighted will rightfully finally take a stand.

Sour grapes, no by no means, I want in no way shape or form for this to ever be an issue, but step back and take and honest look and ask is there any credence to this.

I do not speak nor understand Spanish.

Hispanics could help the racial divide by uniting in English speech.

Praxeas · #68 10-12-2007, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

Oh, you want me to give you the place God called me to? Do you get it now? If you want to be in the pastors position, then you got to be willing to go through the hurdles, no one is going to give it to you. My dad was a home missionary, I told him that I would never become a home missionary because of the so called "hurdles". Is this really about race as much as it is about a position?

Besides a Pastor position does not just land in everyones lap every day. There are very few available.

Also this issue about new pastors is not limited to race. We NEED more church planters...we need more churches in North America. We still have many many cities in Ca that have no UPC but have an AOG and other Pentecostal groups

Praxeas · #69 10-12-2007, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Chosen

Brother I seek not position but only what God has called me to.
I don't want anything given to me.
All I seek is help.
I have helped, supported, and was a member of 3 home mission works.
I know very well what is involved.
The "hurdles" are not God made obviously but man made.

Man, if only you were here a few months ago. could you be moving to S Cal anytime soon?

Praxeas · #70 10-12-2007, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Chosen I have to disagree w/ you ... although in many areas there is a lot to be desired on how the UPCI is handling the multi-cultural ministries in the fellowship and the approach used w/ Spanish ministries ... however the fasting growing segment in the UPCI is Spanish ministries. As a person who was actively involved in the promotions area of SEM ... I can tell you that there is great revival in the UPCI when it comes to Spanish ministries ... Very soon Spanish ministers will make up 10% of the fellowship's constituency.

I've seen explosive growth since my childhood in Spanish Ministries within the UPCI ... when my dad took pastorship of one of the first Spanish UPCI churches...

Your problem is more regional/local than national.

Agreed...yikes!